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Four things that unis think matter more than league tables 08-12-2016
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    (Original post by Aph)
    https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/res...6900127/gender

    Interesting that according to yougov the uk is more socialist than capitalist.
    But I expect that this will be just like young people in America and people don't quite understand what socialism actually means for them. The strongest supporters of socialism are those that have never lived it, it's greatest opponents those that have.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But I expect that this will be just like young people in America and people don't quite understand what socialism actually means for them. The strongest supporters of socialism are those that have never lived it, it's greatest opponents those that have.
    If you look at the data it's only those 60+ who are more capitalist with every age range below being more socialist.
    Party lines and gender balance is about what I would expect
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    (Original post by Aph)
    If you look at the data it's only those 60+ who are more capitalist with every age range below being more socialist.
    Party lines and gender balance is about what I would expect
    IT hardly changes that people do not understand the implications.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Speaking of which, was on the train earlier, and two old people sat opposite and next to me, and started basically bashing the Tories, and saying how any young person who wants to vote out, are ill informed and ignorant. And also how great Corbyn is (let me be sick!) Felt like getting into a heated argument there and then, however, my book I was reading was too engrossing!
    All of those things are true though.

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    (Original post by Aph)
    https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/res...6900127/gender

    Interesting that according to yougov the uk is more socialist than capitalist.
    Among students? No way is that applicable to real life

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    All of those things are true though.

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    Or not.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Among students? No way is that applicable to real life

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    According to yougov That is the entire British population after ajustmented have been made for size and demographics. I was suprised too.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But I expect that this will be just like young people in America and people don't quite understand what socialism actually means for them. The strongest supporters of socialism are those that have never lived it, it's greatest opponents those that have.
    Socialism has no direct implications, people back socialism as a reform of not alternative to capitalism. Socialists (rather than commies) support capitalism. I'm assuming in this poll "capitalist" is just a buzz word for fat cat. It isn't exactly endearing.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Socialism has no direct implications, people back socialism as a reform of not alternative to capitalism. Socialists (rather than commies) support capitalism. I'm assuming in this poll "capitalist" is just a buzz word for fat cat. It isn't exactly endearing.

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    Except socialism and capitalism are by definition contradictory, you lot like forgetting that.

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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Speaking of which, was on the train earlier, and two old people sat opposite and next to me, and started basically bashing the Tories, and saying how any young person who wants to vote out, are ill informed and ignorant. And also how great Corbyn is (let me be sick!) Felt like getting into a heated argument there and then, however, my book I was reading was too engrossing!
    If someone is still voting Labour, or for any left-wing, socialist parties over the age of 60, they are likely the baby-boom generation who were born poor; received no valuable qualifications at school; lived their life working lowly-paid, unskilled jobs; had few prospects for betterment; and are retiring poor. The generations who manage to work their way up to middle management jobs tend to be more rounded, can see the positives of the Conservatives, and have wealth to look after.
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    Benn's falling apart faster than Michael Jacksons face on a hot day.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    If someone is still voting Labour, or for any left-wing, socialist parties over the age of 60, they are likely the baby-boom generation who were born poor; received no valuable qualifications at school; lived their life working lowly-paid, unskilled jobs; had few prospects for betterment; and are retiring poor. The generations who manage to work their way up to middle management jobs tend to be more rounded, can see the positives of the Conservatives, and have wealth to look after.
    The stupid thing is, they looked like relatively rich people... Like, they were taking an expensive jolly up to the east... Was very surprising
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    The one thing that annoys me is how capitalist complain that socialists are either greedy and don't want to work, or that they are 'champagne socialists' who are hypocrites. Such slanderous arguments have no place in real debate and a persons moral charecter do not invalidate the argument they make.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The one thing that annoys me is how capitalist complain that socialists are either greedy and don't want to work, or that they are 'champagne socialists' who are hypocrites. Such slanderous arguments have no place in real debate and a persons moral charecter do not invalidate the argument they make.
    There is a third sort of socialist, I'm yet to meet them and I hang around with them?

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    Polls on support for socialism vs capitalism will often depend on the definition of each. Since the post Soviet marketing exercise for example we've seen socialists decry authoritarian versions and absorb social democracy into the brand. Certainly on here a fair few so called socialists are actually just mild social democrats. Further i'd add that capitalism may get a bad wrap however the number of things people believe should be state owned is actually very small, nobody for example is calling for the government to once again have a nationalised travel agency or hotel.

    The argument today is about how we can tweak capitalism (should we have a publicly run or co-operative railway), not whether we should abandon it (refer to the point above about most industries).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Polls on support for socialism vs capitalism will often depend on the definition of each. Since the post Soviet marketing exercise for example we've seen socialists decry authoritarian versions and absorb social democracy into the brand. Certainly on here a fair few so called socialists are actually just mild social democrats. Further i'd add that capitalism may get a bad wrap however the number of things people believe should be state owned is actually very small, nobody for example is calling for the government to once again have a nationalised travel agency or hotel.

    The argument today is about how we can tweak capitalism (should we have a publicly run or co-operative railway), not whether we should abandon it (refer to the point above about most industries).
    The prime example is one I shared a bit back from the states where socialism suddenly became unpopular when defined compared to using labels

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is a third sort of socialist, I'm yet to meet them and I hang around with them?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is a third sort of socialist, I'm yet to meet them and I hang around with them?

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    You miss the point of my post it would seem.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    You miss the point of my post it would seem.
    I actually do feel that one should be critical of champagne socialists. While there are no doubt many who simply genuinely caring and compassionate, there are also many who feel that they know best and talk down to the lower classes. We see for example in Labour that there is a set of champagne socialists who almost look down at the working classes and dismiss their concerns (i don't agree with them) as racist or bigoted. The notion that somebody who has never experienced poverty telling me what i should think would be quite grating.
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    Watching Newsnight its interesting to see that the government is essentially proving my point that the UK is likely to concede a lot of ground in negotiations given the absence of a Euro-skeptic executive.
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    About 1 week ago I claimed Jess Phillips was lying about receiving threats on Twitter, someone decided to document all the available tweets, Jess phillips then complained that Twitter of colluding with her abusers when Twitter responded to her complaints saying “We reviewed the content and determined that it was not in violation of the Twitter rules”. So unless Twitter decided to remove tweets that doesn't break the rules they are all there.

    It is worth knowing that she talked about 5000 notifications this includes tweets to, replies, mentions, retweets, and likes.
    DM's are something else.

    https://github.com/HedleyPty/Jess-Ph...was-not-raped-

    That is all the possible evidence around it includes 1342 tweets, when you consider the fact the original tweet received 61 retweets and 218 likes and Jess phillips' tweet received 119 retweets and 132 replies and a lot of replies that shows how few tweets there actually was.

    If people still believe what she has said you have to ask yourself what would make you change your mind? Considering all available evidence contradicts what she has said and that to prove her point all it would take is a screenshot (she has shared screenshots before even when they don't show who they are talking about) you have to wonder why hasn't she now?

    If you wonder what does she gain from this? Look at what she is campaigning to do and look at the support it received last week, that will answer the question.
 
 
 
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