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    Israel is defending itself against terrorists
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    (Original post by MichaelYEAH)
    Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could put what is happening in Gaza in simplistic terms.

    My dad described it as basically the Israeli (who I had to then confirm were the Jews) are fighting Palestinians (The arabs) who are in a terrorist group. He said that the Israelis are trying to find and clear out the tunnels the terrorist group uses and to basically get rid of them.

    BUT, I know that Israelis and Palestinians have never got on because of religious matters and I was also wondering why people mention the holocaust. In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ
    a lady mentions the holocaust and it causes a lot of drama and i'm not too sure as to why? Is she comparing what is happening in the east to the holocaust? If someone could clarify, that would be great.

    A final question, is who is morally right and who is morally wrong in this conflict? Or is that a question which is far too complicated to answer in simplistic terms?
    Watch this short non-biased video from Jewish Voice For Peace for a quick introduction to the conflict

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE

    In a nutshell for this current round of fighting what happened was:
    • About 8 Palestinians were killed by Israel this year before the fighting (e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...hot-dead-video) but they are Palestinians so the world doesnt care.
    • 3 Israeli teenagers got kidnapped. Israel accused Hamas (This was later proven to be false)
    • Israel retaliated by kidnapping 600 Palestinians, killing 6 of them, then bombing Palestinian targets.
    • This got Hamas angry, so they responded with rocket attacks
    • Israel proceeded to kill 1800+ Palestinians and counting.
      • Also a sub story: Israel claimed a British IDF soldier got kidnapped recently, so they killed a few hundred more Palestinians. This claim was later proven to be false and it turned out the IDF soldier got killed by Israeli Shelling.



    Zionists tend to think the current conflict starts with rockets. Which it doesnt.
    They also forget to mention that they have been stealing land off the Palestinians and oppressing them for the past 60 years.
    The tunnels are just a side story to commit massacres. E.g. Egypt recently destroyed 1370 tunnels but they didn't need to kill over 1000+ civillians to accomplish this. http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-d...gling-tunnels/

    Also this thread will probably get merged into the main sticky, so watch out because it is filled with Zionists who twist the truth.
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    Hi there,

    From what I can understand from news broadcasts such as RT news is that the Israeli radicalism are basically performing genocide against the Palestinians.

    The prime minister of Israel when asked why he was attacking Palestinians he replied because he was removing the threat of terrorism. However when the interviewer asked how a new born baby only hours old or the young toddlers and their mothers are "terriorists" he relied in all seriousness that they were "vermin" that needed to be eradicated from the world.

    Although many of the politicians are all for this war, when many civilians or upper class Israelis were asked how they felt about it - their reply basically stated they were ashamed with what their government were doing and wanted it to end.

    Like all civil disturbances along these lines it is only a handful of radicals who are attempting to cause such destruction.

    I hope this helps with your queries.
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    It's all quite complicated but essentially - Isreal took land from the Palestinians as they believed they had divine right to that land for religious purposes. Palestine is obviously pretty pissed about this and the way they are/were treated.

    The Gaza strip is a hotbed for this conflict - surrounded by Isreal, inhabited by Palestinians. Isreal wants it, Palestine wants it. Isreal bombs the **** out of it, Palestine strikes back with whatever they can, which isn't much and Isreal (and it's allies) call it terrorism.

    Loads of Palestinians die, not many Isrealis die.

    That's my take on it all. I may be wrong in areas but calling Hamas terrorists is a bit stupid as they are fighting back with whatever they can against a country which has NUKES ffs.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    The British offered Uganda (or was it Madagascar?) to those who were being persecuted by the Nazi's (i.e: mainly Jews). The Zionists insisted on Israel and they achieved it through mass illegal immigration and terrorism.
    Do not change the topic of conversation. I told you how establishing a nation within existing one was near impossible and impractical. You reply with a response as if the birth of modern day Israel is living proof it is possible when that is no where near the case. Any academic studying political history, political sciences, economics, geography...so on can tell you that. Do you agree that you were wrong in saying it was easy? Answer this because I am curious whether or not you have any education in this field.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Oh please, if Israel wanted to "end the conflict", they wouldn't have invaded.

    If palestinians were suffering so much, don't you think they would ceasefire when Israel has?

    Why would they be wanting to provoke retaliation?

    Could it be they're the instigators?
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    (Original post by nevertoo)
    Israel is defending itself against terrorists
    I think you need to watch this thread as you've clearly been living under a rock for the past few months :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    I think you need to watch this thread as you've clearly been living under a rock for the past few months :rolleyes:
    so you support terrorism?
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    well that is awful
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    (Original post by nevertoo)
    so you support terrorism?
    no but you clearly do as you seem to be supporting the real terrorists here (israel)
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Okay I've just searched 'Moshe Feiglin concentration camps' into Google and the only thing that comes up is this Daily Mail story as well as several copycat versions of it. No other reliable news sources are reporting this, why? Surely it would be massive news for almost all readers.
    Still on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    no but you clearly do as you seem to be supporting the real terrorists here (israel)
    hamas are a terrorist organisation according to the UN
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Okay I've just searched 'Moshe Feiglin concentration camps' into Google and the only thing that comes up is this Daily Mail story as well as several copycat versions of it. No other reliable news sources are reporting this, why? Surely it would be massive news for almost all readers.
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/...-genocide-plan

    Has a link directly to the Facebook post, so you can see it straight from the devil himself:
    https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104
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    (Original post by MichaelYEAH)
    Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could put what is happening in Gaza in simplistic terms.

    My dad described it as basically the Israeli (who I had to then confirm were the Jews) are fighting Palestinians (The arabs) who are in a terrorist group. He said that the Israelis are trying to find and clear out the tunnels the terrorist group uses and to basically get rid of them.

    BUT, I know that Israelis and Palestinians have never got on because of religious matters and I was also wondering why people mention the holocaust. In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ
    a lady mentions the holocaust and it causes a lot of drama and i'm not too sure as to why? Is she comparing what is happening in the east to the holocaust? If someone could clarify, that would be great.

    A final question, is who is morally right and who is morally wrong in this conflict? Or is that a question which is far too complicated to answer in simplistic terms?
    The conflict is really quite complicated, but this article explains a lot about why it started and why it is still ongoing.

    While I think that both Hamas and the Israeli government are in the wrong, I mostly blame the Israeli government and IDF as they are much more powerful than Hamas and have responded with disproportionate strength, which has resulted in a large number of casualties, mainly palestinian civilians. They have repeatedly attacked non-military targets such as UN Schools and critical infrastructure in Gaza. Israel have also been blockading Gaza for many years now, which means that it is difficult to get urgent supplies into Gaza.

    The IDF need to destroy the tunnels that go into Israel, but more broadly Israel needs to stop their oppression of the Palestinian people.
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    Your dad is just repeating what he heard in the news but its actually more complicated than this. The dispute didn't start because of religious reasons it was a conflict about land. Israel didn't exist 60 or so years ago , they took over the land of the palestinians. That's how it originally started.
    Today in Gaza the people there are under military occupation Israel controls everything that goes in and out food etc and the people are oppressed. Many innocent Palestinians have died. However people have become desensitised to Palestinian people dying. I suggest you do your own research to find the truth about this conflict because all western news channels are biased and its a very complicated conflict to explain simply.
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    After WW2 people decided the Jews needed a country. So Britain gave them someone else's and since then the Palestinians have (quite rightfully in my opinion) wanted it back. Israel oppresses the Palestinian people and stops aid entering the country. The Palestinians are pissed off with this. Israel does something **** to Palestine. Hamas fires some rockets into Israel and like 3 Israelis die then the Israeli army kills hundreds of Palestinians. Rinse and repeat. Many countries support Israel so you get biased news coverage that suggests that Israel is right when it's the oppressor. Yes, Hamas are in the wrong too but I believe Israel are more in the wrong.
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    (Original post by becketts)
    A lot stems from after WW2, when the Jews were promised Palestine due to how they were treated in the holocaust. However, allegedly, the Arabs stole this land that the Jews were promised. This has sparked many conflicts, arguably including the Gaza conflict.
    Who promised the land to them?
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    (Original post by MASTER265)
    Do not change the topic of conversation. I told you how establishing a nation within existing one was near impossible and impractical. You reply with a response as if the birth of modern day Israel is living proof it is possible when that is no where near the case. Any academic studying political history, political sciences, economics, geography...so on can tell you that. Do you agree that you were wrong in saying it was easy? Answer this because I am curious whether or not you have any education in this field.
    Did I say it was "easy"? Perhaps you could refresh my memory.

    You are placing obstacles in the path. Saying it is too difficult and saying I haven't considered xxxx.

    All I'm saying is that if it wanted to be done, it could be done. I gave the example of Uganda trying to portray the fact that Israel is only where it is now due to the insistence of the Zionists.

    The underlying issue in this conflict is the fact that Israel was created where it is now. Do you honestly think that anyone would have a problem with the immigrants of Israel if they ended up in some backwater muddy ditch in Africa? Do you honestly think the Arabs would give a crap if the illegal immigrants had situated themselves in other European countries?

    Of course not...
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    (Original post by broscience123)
    Watch this short non-biased video from Jewish Voice For Peace for a quick introduction to the conflict

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE

    In a nutshell for this current round of fighting what happened was:
    • About 8 Palestinians were killed by Israel this year before the fighting (e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...hot-dead-video) but they are Palestinians so the world doesnt care.
    • 3 Israeli teenagers got kidnapped. Israel accused Hamas (This was later proven to be false)
    • Israel retaliated by kidnapping 600 Palestinians, killing 6 of them, then bombing Palestinian targets.
    • This got Hamas angry, so they responded with rocket attacks
    • Israel proceeded to kill 1800+ Palestinians and counting.
      • Also a sub story: Israel claimed a British IDF soldier got kidnapped recently, so they killed a few hundred more Palestinians. This claim was later proved to be false and it turned out the IDF soldier got killed by Israeli Shelling.



    Zionists tend to think the current conflict starts with rockets. Which it doesnt.
    They also forget to mention that they have been stealing land off the Palestinians and oppressing them for the past 60 years.
    The tunnels are just a side story to commit massacres. E.g. Egypt recently destroyed 1370 tunnels but they didn't need to kill over 1000+ civillians to accomplish this. http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-d...gling-tunnels/

    Also this thread will probably get merged into the main sticky, so watch out because it is filled with Zionists who twist the truth.
    You are being very dishonest and manipulative, OP what you see above leaves out context, it matters. The context in which the 8 Palestinians were killed was not one of a surprise attack and kidnapping through military infrastructure (tunnels) that had been in the works over recent years.

    The reason why Israel is conducting military operations in Gaza stems from the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli civilians through the use of Hamas sponsored and built tunnels, which Hamas uses to raid Israel.

    As for the civilian casualties, deeply regrettable, but Hamas is largely to blame. Hamas stores weapons weapons in densely populated areas and is using civilians as meat shields, which is a great propaganda tool as the civilian death toll rising helps to gather support from you and your ilk for the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organization who have explicitly stated heir intentions for a genocide of the jewish people.
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    (Original post by n00)
    Seriously? Try following the thread.
    You know you could just admit that you aren't actually going to make a clear amount of coherence.
 
 
 
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