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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    So the pro-Israeli's who say that "Israeli does not care about international pressure" are all liars?...
    i have no idea about other people, why dont you ask them. i only speak for myself here
    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Yes, they also condemned HAMAS for "capturing an Israeli soldier" when all the time it turns out, they didn't...
    . didnt they?ok so they jsut killed him instead then?. i think youll find both killing and kidnapping serve to break a cease fire oh wise one....

    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I mean, if the US are issuing condemnations based on Israeli information, I'd be very wary. ?...
    whos information should we be using- Islamists? Your personal blog?
    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Furthermore, I posted a link to an article which state the IAF bombed the strip a couple of minutes into the ceasefire. You can go and find it if you want......
    i dont think anyone saw it, post it again, with the verified source

    (Original post by tsr1269)
    No, I don't believe I've ever held myself out to be an "expert". Perhaps you'd like to direct me to such a post...
    i reckon youd like to think yourself so. but even if its a self-delusion, you still serve as an insight to the islamist manipulated mentality, which is sueful for us to examine in this conflict
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I'm just asking him to substantiate his statements which coincidentally, a lot of pro-Israeli's have been unable to do.

    Perhaps you'd like to have a bash at it after meenglishisnogood capitulates?
    I am sorry I just thought this was a widely known fact. The UN published some reports on it did they not? A suicide bomber emerging from tunnels was known to of broke a UN ceasefire. No airstrike or artillery bombardment took place before the event and the ground offensive was dormant. There is sufficient evidence on that individual case amongst others
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    (Original post by Suetonius)
    You don't get to use key concepts in whatever way you please simply because it is "in [your] context" (whatever that means), or because of your appeals to authority (politicians, academics, professors etc.). Your whole point rested on the claim that it is "universally used", and I was simply illustrating that this isn't so. If you wished to make a separate point that accurately reflected your view then you ought to have done so initially.

    If your point is that "fight against terrorism" is a valid concept because the majority (99.9%) use it then that is an argumentum ad populum and so is still meaningless/fallacious. You do actually have to argue for why you think it's a valid concept.
    I understand
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    yes indeed but then this is the same sage that doesnt think hamas is a terrorist organisation either, so it was almost predictable from him
    I do not understand. There is overwhelming evidence to support the fact Hamas broke the 72-hour ceasefire. A suicide bomber emerged from the tunnel network in Israeli territory, how can anyone dispute that. It proves not only they broke a ceasefire but in fact Hamas is a terrorist organisation.
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    (Original post by MASTER265)
    I do not understand. There is overwhelming evidence to support the fact Hamas broke the 72-hour ceasefire. A suicide bomber emerged from the tunnel network in Israeli territory, how can anyone dispute that. It proves not only they broke a ceasefire but in fact Hamas is a terrorist organisation.
    youll have to ask him - i do not try to rationalise the mindset of the islamist indoctrinate, i jsut commentate on it
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    i have no idea about other people, why dont you ask them. i only speak for myself here
    So in your opinion, Israel bows down to international pressure?

    I assure you, this one will come back to bite you in the ass.

    . didnt they?ok so they jsut killed him instead then?. i think youll find both killing and kidnapping serve to break a cease fire oh wise one....
    It turns out that the IDF were moving deeper into Gaza. I don't think that was part of any ceasefire agreement, if it was indeed accepted...

    whos information should we be using- Islamists? Your personal blog?
    Qassam did state that they had lost contact with their troops and it was probably an artillery shell which pulverised Hadar Goldin.

    Lo and behold! They turned out to be right...

    i dont think anyone saw it, post it again, with the verified source
    Times of Israel. Friday/Saturday's edition or whatever day the ceasefire was planned.

    Get hunting...

    i reckon youd like to think yourself so. but even if its a self-delusion, you still serve as an insight to the islamist manipulated mentality, which is sueful for us to examine in this conflict
    I'm still hearing words like "think" and "self" and "like". I'm not hearing my own words being played back to me...
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    (Original post by MASTER265)
    I am sorry I just thought this was a widely known fact. The UN published some reports on it did they not? A suicide bomber emerging from tunnels was known to of broke a UN ceasefire. No airstrike or artillery bombardment took place before the event and the ground offensive was dormant. There is sufficient evidence on that individual case amongst others
    Depending on who you choose to believe, there were a couple of noteworthy incidents.

    a) HAMAS stated that they never accepted the ceasefire.
    b) In that case, the unilateral ceasefire by Israel was broken after the IAF bombed the strip just a couple of minutes after the ceasefire came into effect.
    c) HAMAS's response was in relation to the IDF troops penetrating further into Gaza which everyone is just so damned confused about.

    It'll be interesting to see your response...
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    Hamas are the terrorists they say
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    So in your opinion, Israel bows down to international pressure?

    I assure you, this one will come back to bite you in the ass. ...
    no, i said israel 'takes account of' international pressure - has there ever been a time you havent tried to fabricate what people have said? and keep your 'ass-biting ' to your self, try to stick to topic

    (Original post by tsr1269)
    It turns out that the IDF were moving deeper into Gaza. I don't think that was part of any ceasefire agreement, if it was indeed accepted......
    the ceasefire agreement allowed for advances on tunnel networks- obviously your islamist propaganda machine didnt actually read you the whole agreement

    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Qassam did state that they had lost contact with their troops and it was probably an artillery shell which pulverised Hadar Goldin.

    Lo and behold! They turned out to be right... ...
    they were killed by bullet injury not shell.


    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Times of Israel. Friday/Saturday's edition or whatever day the ceasefire was planned.

    Get hunting.....
    . im waiting for you to show you posted it


    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I'm still hearing words like "think" and "self" and "like". I'm not hearing my own words being played back to me...
    islamist indoctrinates generally dont
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Depending on who you choose to believe, there were a couple of noteworthy incidents.

    a) HAMAS stated that they never accepted the ceasefire.
    b) In that case, the unilateral ceasefire by Israel was broken after the IAF bombed the strip just a couple of minutes after the ceasefire came into effect.
    c) HAMAS's response was in relation to the IDF troops penetrating further into Gaza which everyone is just so damned confused about.

    It'll be interesting to see your response...
    I read Palestinian representatives accepted the ceasefire, not Israel's fault Hamas and Palestine have such an unstable relationship (funny considering the Palestinians voted for them). The agreements on the ceasefire were regarding the military bombardment of Gaza so civilians could get aid supplies in from UN groups. Israel agreed that their troops would station at the border but continue to defend against tunnel offensives and destroy them in the process which makes sense considering Hamas sent a one way suicide squad into Israel. From what I've read and seen Israel actually pulled troops back at the start of the ceasefire not further in, where did you read that, we have been told 2 different things but I believe UN officials on the ground over various other sources.
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    As per usual, it was Britains fault.
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    (Original post by TSA)
    Who promised the land to them?
    The British, I believe. Good ol' Blighty messing everything up. ;D
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    Is Israel’s Assault on Gaza a Response to Hamas Rockets? Would Cessation of Rockets from Gaza Stop the Atrocities?

    Israel claims that its recent invasion and destruction of Gaza civilians, infrastructure, and society, being only one in an extremely long list of others we must remember, is a just action necessary to protect its citizens from rockets emanating from Hamas militants, “If Hamas does not allow Israelis to live in peace, and then we too will be forced to carry out actions that we don’t fundamentally wish to perform, and that are not our primary goal,” said Israel’s Minister of Justice Tzipi Livni, who also oversees the country’s peace talks with the Palestinians. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu said that, “Hamas will pay a heavy price for firing on Israeli citizens… The operation will expand and continue until the rocket firing on our cities stops.” The Israel Defense Forces stated that Operation Protective Edge has commenced, “…in order to stop the terror Israel’s citizens face on a daily basis.” Israel states that its current use of force against Gaza, one of the most densely populated areas in the world, with approximately 1.8 million inhabitants, with the world’s 13th highest population growth rate, a crippling economic situation with 22.5% unemployment (ranked 170th in the world), where38% of the population lives below the poverty line, who’s means of defending itself are extremely limited and altogether dwarfed by the formidable size and strength of the Israel Defense Forces, is a necessary action needed to protect itself.The CIA admits that,
    Israeli security controls imposed since the end of the second intifada have degraded economic conditions in the Gaza Strip. Israeli-imposed border closures… have resulted in high unemployment, elevated poverty rates, and a sharp contraction of the private sector that had relied primarily on export markets. Changes to Israeli restrictions on imports in 2010 resulted in a rebound in some economic activity, butregular exports from Gaza still are not permitted. Standard-of-living measures remain below levels seen in the mid-1990s.” (emphasis added)
    Gaza is often described as an “open air prison,” this assessment is in many ways accurate; in addition to the ongoing economic blockade, Israel and Egypt have closed the borders on either side preventing the people of Gaza from leaving. Israel controls the borders around Gaza and the waters that surround it. Only the injured, sick and those with foreign passports are allowed to leave, “Gaza is unique in the annals of modern warfare in being a conflict zone with a fence around it, so civilians have no place to flee,” said Chris Gunness, spokesman for the U.N relief agency for Palestinian refugees; the people of Gaza are trapped.Throughout the years, Gaza has been kept just above the level of bare survival whilst being imprisoned by land, sea and air. The May 2013 United Nations Relief and Works Agency reportfound that,
    “the situation in relation to water and sanitation for the Palestinians in Gaza is critical. Today 90 per cent of water from the aquifer is not safe to drink without treatment. Most Palestinians in Gaza do not have access to clean water. As a result, the average water consumption in Gaza is 70 to 90 liters per person per day, below the global WHO standard of 100 liters per person per day.”
    Gaza’s inhabitants face regular power cuts affective private businesses and homes, health services, wastewater treatment plants, and schools.”
    It states that impoverished Palestinians are, “unable to afford the fees charged at Ministry of Health and private clinics and hospitals,” and there is, “a chronic shortage of medicines and medical supplies in the Ministry of Health central pharmacy,” and that “most public health facilities are unable to provide safe and adequate services,” and that “there are frequent breakdowns of medical equipment resulting from power interruptions and water impurities, among other factors. For this and other reasons, many patients are forced to seek treatment outside Gaza for a wide range of medical problems, which is difficult due to movement restrictions imposed by the blockade.” (emphases added)
    Full article http://www.globalresearch.ca/is-isra...cities/5393655
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    (Original post by nevertoo)
    Israel is defending itself against terrorists
    You're an idiot
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    Israel are tryna take over the whole region by committing genocide.
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    no, i said israel 'takes account of' international pressure - has there ever been a time you havent tried to fabricate what people have said? and keep your 'ass-biting ' to your self, try to stick to topic
    And what exactly does this mean?

    the ceasefire agreement allowed for advances on tunnel networks- obviously your islamist propaganda machine didnt actually read you the whole agreement
    So it wasn't really a ceasefire agreement then...

    they were killed by bullet injury not shell.
    Bullet injury? What "bullet injury"? Are you having a ****ing laugh? The guy was pulverised.

    There were no traces of him left. They had to identify him through DNA.

    . im waiting for you to show you posted it
    Oh, I posted it. I usually post that kind of stuff. Try and keep everyone updated and all that.

    You can either hunt for it on this thread or on the ToI web blog...

    islamist indoctrinates generally dont
    Are you speaking from experience?
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    (Original post by MASTER265)
    I read Palestinian representatives accepted the ceasefire, not Israel's fault Hamas and Palestine have such an unstable relationship (funny considering the Palestinians voted for them). The agreements on the ceasefire were regarding the military bombardment of Gaza so civilians could get aid supplies in from UN groups. Israel agreed that their troops would station at the border but continue to defend against tunnel offensives and destroy them in the process which makes sense considering Hamas sent a one way suicide squad into Israel. From what I've read and seen Israel actually pulled troops back at the start of the ceasefire not further in, where did you read that, we have been told 2 different things but I believe UN officials on the ground over various other sources.
    The UN simply stated that the ceasefire had been broken. They didn't state the reasons why.

    Oh, and what about the point about the IAF breaking the ceasefire when it bombarded Gaza a couple of minutes into the ceasefire?
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    Jews are a people, Judaism is a religion. Jewish hatred of Palestinians isn't so much about religion but based on genetics the same as Jewish hatred for non-gentiles. These crazy Rabbi's and Jewish leaders call us genetic filth, compare us to insects.The holocaust is nothing more than propaganda to allow the Jews to continue their evil ways. I say the Jews are not victims of genocide they are perpetrators of genocide their role is countless genocides is ignored because they have all the power and influence. The Jews are a tightly knit machine while the gentile races are divided.
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    Why does Israel keep changing its story on Gaza?First Israel said the reason for its attack on Gaza was the three kidnapped Israeli youths. Then it was rockets fired by Hamas. Then it was the tunnels that Gaza uses to import food and essential supplies denied by the Israeli siege. But what is the real purpose that has left over 1,500 Palestinians dead, 75% of them civilians and around 300 of them children?

    Watch this three-minute video and see if you're any the wiser.



    source: http://stopwar.org.uk/videos/why-doe...a#.U9-4WuOSz1Y
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    Unconditional truce to be declared in hours. Israel will "consider" it...
 
 
 
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