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    I find it ironic how self-styled 'tolerant' leftists on my Facebook are all sharing that photo of Brock Turner which features the caption "...He isn't a student or even a human at this point. He is a rapist."
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I find it ironic how self-styled 'tolerant' leftists on my Facebook are all sharing that photo of Brock Turner which features the caption "...He isn't a student or even a human at this point. He is a rapist."
    To be honest, this is why I find a lot of these tolerant leftists to be some of the worst people in society - they preach tolerance, so long as it fits within their narrow and broad definitions and world views. Many are vile, discriminatory individuals who don't have the guts to recognise what horrible people they are.
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    To be honest, this is why I find a lot of these tolerant leftists to be some of the worst people in society - they preach tolerance, so long as it fits within their narrow and broad definitions and world views. Many are vile, discriminatory individuals who don't have the guts to recognise what horrible people they are.
    Absolutely. Tolerant as long as they don't have to hold an unpopular opinion.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I find it ironic how self-styled 'tolerant' leftists on my Facebook are all sharing that photo of Brock Turner which features the caption "...He isn't a student or even a human at this point. He is a rapist."
    Well I disagree with the not even a human part but they are correct in that he is a rapist, and sociology says that a crime becomes a person's label once it is known the are a criminal, not student, or swimmer ect but the crime, in this case rapist.
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    Well I disagree with the not even a human part but they are correct in that he is a rapist, and sociology says that a crime becomes a person's label once it is known the are a criminal, not student, or swimmer ect but the crime, in this case rapist.
    But that shouldn't be the case, it's terribly regressive.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    But that shouldn't be the case, it's terribly regressive.
    It is how society operates, which is all I was saying. I am also unsure if you are saying we should tolerate and accept rapists in society or not, you too toronto353
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    It is how society operates, which is all I was saying. I am also unsure if you are saying we should tolerate and accept rapists in society or not, you too toronto353
    No, I'm not saying that at all. What I take offence at is the tolerant PC crowd saying 'He isn't a student or even a human at this point. He is a rapist.' How is that tolerance?
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    It is how society operates, which is all I was saying. I am also unsure if you are saying we should tolerate and accept rapists in society or not, you too toronto353
    We should understand that they are no less human than anyone else because of their history, and attempt to help them become good, functioning members of society.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    No, I'm not saying that at all. What I take offence at is the tolerant PC crowd saying 'He isn't a student or even a human at this point. He is a rapist.' How is that tolerance?
    Well he isn't a student anymore, that is fact, he is instead a prisoner in for the crime of rape (I don't disagree on the human part however, that is just stupid and ill thought-out )

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    We should understand that they are no less human than anyone else because of their history, and attempt to help them become good, functioning members of society.
    It might take more than six months in a county jail however to teach someone they have most likely had a seriously detrimental, if not completely ****ed up, another persons life, and what they have to do to become a functioning member of society, especially with his father defending him how he has.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Well he isn't a student anymore, that is fact, he is instead a prisoner in for the crime of rape (I don't disagree on the human part however, that is just stupid and ill thought-out )
    That is effectively why I loathe the 'tolerance' brigade because many of them are just as judgmental as the rest of us - the difference is that they seek to hide it, whereas the rest of us don't.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    It might take more than six months in a county jail however to teach someone they have most likely had a seriously detrimental, if not completely ****ed up, another persons life, and what they have to do to become a functioning member of society, especially with his father defending him how he has.
    And it might take less.

    That's not the point though. Dehumanising anyone is unacceptable.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Well he isn't a student anymore, that is fact, he is instead a prisoner in for the crime of rape (I don't disagree on the human part however, that is just stupid and ill thought-out )



    It might take more than six months in a county jail however to teach someone they have most likely had a seriously detrimental, if not completely ****ed up, another persons life, and what they have to do to become a functioning member of society, especially with his father defending him how he has.
    Jail won't teach him a lesson at all.
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    That is effectively why I loathe the 'tolerance' brigade because many of them are just as judgmental as the rest of us - the difference is that they seek to hide it, whereas the rest of us don't.
    All depends on what you think they are tolerant of, many of them, in my experience, are tolerant on lgbt issues, on race difference, gender, class ect, and on smaller crime, such as theft. But massively tolerate of police brutality, sexual assault/rape and such.

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    And it might take less.

    That's not the point though. Dehumanising anyone is unacceptable.
    I agree on dehumanising, although I don't think it would take less than six months when his family are basically painting him as the victim in the entire thing

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    Jail won't teach him a lesson at all.
    modern jail I don't disagree tbh, we need to reform the system to make it about reform, not punishment imo
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    Jail won't teach him a lesson at all.
    That's why you hang them.

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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    All depends on what you think they are tolerant of, many of them, in my experience, are tolerant on lgbt issues, on race difference, gender, class ect, and on smaller crime, such as theft. But massively tolerate of police brutality, sexual assault/rape and such.
    So they pick and choose then? Tolerance by their own terms is not tolerance - it's an illusion designed to make themselves appear better than they are.

    modern jail I don't disagree tbh, we need to reform the system to make it about reform, not punishment imo
    Reform yes, but punishment is so, so vital for making sure that people know that they have done wrong.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    So they pick and choose then? Tolerance by their own terms is not tolerance - it's an illusion designed to make themselves appear better than they are.



    Reform yes, but punishment is so, so vital for making sure that people know that they have done wrong.
    They are tolerant of certain things and not others, I never tend to see these people you are talking about call themselves all tolerate, just say people should be more tolerate of certain types of people, lgbt community, non white people, women, immigrants ect, not that we should be tolerate of everyone.

    I would say simply being locked away is punishment, you are stuck in a cell with your freedom restricted, and in this environment we should seek to keep them safe, and seek to reform them
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    That's why you hang them.

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    Death is not a deterrent and actually more likely to cause reoffending and serial crimes.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Death is not a deterrent and actually more likely to cause reoffending and serial crimes.
    Not sure how one Reoffends if dead...

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Not sure how one Reoffends if dead...

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    I ment more serial crime, once one has killed or raped they might as well do it again because the punishment can't go up. Also people who want to die but can't do it themselves are more likely to try and get the state to kill them. Plus the death penalty has no effect on crime rates in the form of deterant.
 
 
 
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