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    (Original post by Al_YG)
    The Quran states in many Surahs that if a muslim kills another muslim, the muslim who commited the murder will not even see the gates of heaven. How can we justify ISIS as Islamic knowing that they have even killed one muslim - let alone more muslims than what they call 'khufars' ; being non-believers.
    For ISIS members, the Muslims you mention are not real Muslims, so it's ok to kill them. Like when Christians said that Catholic or Protestants were heretics and slaughtered each other.

    ISIS is Muslim. They have a different interpretation of the Koran. As this book was written by several hands over the centuries, it has some contradictions and violent pages. They choose to only read these ones.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    For ISIS members, the Muslims you mention are not real Muslims, so it's ok to kill them. Like when Christians said that Catholic or Protestants were heretics and slaughtered each other.

    ISIS is Muslim. They have a different interpretation of the Koran. As this book was written by several hands over the centuries, it has some contradictions and violent pages. They choose to only read these ones.
    ISIS are insane to me...dont even know if you can include them in a group. They are that out of touch.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    For ISIS members, the Muslims you mention are not real Muslims, so it's ok to kill them. Like when Christians said that Catholic or Protestants were heretics and slaughtered each other.

    ISIS is Muslim. They have a different interpretation of the Koran. As this book was written by several hands over the centuries, it has some contradictions and violent pages. They choose to only read these ones.
    You have contradicted the core of the argument because another quote in the Quran says that to say a musim is not a muslim is haram or to judge.
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    (Original post by Ace123)
    After yet more terrible terror attacks in France is it time that Europe faces reality and bans Islam & muslim immigration to Europe, muslim attacks seems never ending, 9/11, 7/7, Lee Rigby, Madrid Bombings, Belgium attacks, Rotherham Abuse, Charlie Hebdo & now more attacks in Paris.
    From the third world yes
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    (Original post by Josb)
    For ISIS members, the Muslims you mention are not real Muslims, so it's ok to kill them. Like when Christians said that Catholic or Protestants were heretics and slaughtered each other.

    ISIS is Muslim. They have a different interpretation of the Koran. As this book was written by several hands over the centuries, it has some contradictions and violent pages. They choose to only read these ones.
    Whether someone is muslim or not, its not 'ok' to kill them. Fix up your language you uneducated person. A well known quote from the Quran states 'to have killed a human is as though you have killed the whole of humanity'.
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    yeah saw this

    really hope people are more sensible but going by forums and twitter...i doubt it. The women wearing hijab's are going to be under threat the most compared to the men as it is easier to tell from women than men.

    Absolutely, it's quite frightening really. The statistics on Islamaphobic hate crimes released earlier this year were really sad to see. Anyone visibly Muslim are open to violence. Case in point, the Muslim lady in a hijab pushed into a train last week.
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    ISIS is a politically motivated movement. Ask yourselves ... Sweden and the Netherlands are non-Muslim, why have they not been attacked? Its clearly nothing to do with being Muslim or not - if this was religious a quarter of the humans alive today would have been bombing everyone... Dont attack the poor muslims who we know and are friends with. Isis is evil, not islam.
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    Even Barack Obama has made a one hour speech praising the success of the muslims
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    (Original post by xxvine)
    ISIS are insane to me...dont even know if you can include them in a group. They are that out of touch.
    Are they worse than the Puritans during Cromwell's leadership?
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    So you blame all 1.6 billion Muslims. You do know more Muslims are killed than non Muslims by isis. Every day Muslims are killed by isis. So wake up Muslims got nothing to do with isis.

    There are millions living in Europe for better life not to attack innocent people.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    If saying that not all Muslims are terrorists and that it's stupid to think of them that way is pro-Islam, then I am proudly pro-Islam.
    Good on you. The post wasn't directed at you, however, so I don't see why you take that as an insult, and why you presume that what I meant by pro-Islam in that context was 'saying that not all Muslims are terrorists and that it's stupid to think of them that way.' I don't want to assume much but the fact that you took the trouble to respond to a post just to make a general point assuming that I was making a general argument that I wasn't when it's clearly aimed at a different person doesn't seem too promising.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Good on you. The post wasn't directed at you, however, so I don't see why you take that as an insult, and why you presume that what I meant by pro-Islam in that context was 'saying that not all Muslims are terrorists and that it's stupid to think of them that way.' I don't want to assume much but the fact that you took the trouble to respond to a post just to make a general point assuming that I was making a general argument that I wasn't when it's clearly aimed at a different person doesn't seem too promising.
    ^ 95% vacuous, irrelevant fluff

    What, in fact, is your view on the issue?
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Are you able to wait until the motives of the perpetrators are identified or is that too much to ask? It may very well turn out to be an Islamic group that's behind the attacks, but until then, let's keep the baseless finger-pointing to a minimum.

    It astonishes me how willing people are to simply assume that it's an Islamic attack and then start debating the implications of that assumption as if it's fact.
    get.real.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    ^ 95% vacuous, irrelevant fluff
    You're right, I should have called you the Islamic apologist you are and then told you to **** off and stop quoting me just to declare your love of Muslims. It's quite rich for somebody who posts a soppy declaration like this...

    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    If saying that not all Muslims are terrorists and that it's stupid to think of them that way is pro-Islam, then I am proudly pro-Islam.
    ... to accuse me of 'vacuous irrelevant fluff.'

    What, in fact, is your view on the issue?
    Ah, there we are -- nice little apologist pretending he asked me this question before and that I replied with an irrelevant answer. I've dealt with enough of your kind in the last 48 hours. The fact that you don't know my view indicates that you haven't read the thread -- I'm not going to spend time making up for your laziness, nor do I have the patience to talk to a condescending ******* like you.
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    (Original post by JNDSAN)
    get.real.
    Get rational.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Get rational.

    what planet do you live on? Rational thinking? Okay go ahead and try that then chum lol, who else would it have likely been?
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    You're right, I should have called you the Islamic apologist you are and then told you to **** off and stop quoting me just to declare your love of Muslims. It's quite rich for somebody who posts a soppy declaration like this...
    ... to accuse me of 'vacuous irrelevant fluff.'
    Ah, there we are -- nice little apologist pretending he asked me this question before and I replied with an irrelevant answer. I've dealt with enough of your kind in the last 48 hours. The fact that you don't know my view indicates that you haven't read the thread -- I'm not going to spend time making up for your laziness, nor do I have the patience to talk to a condescending ******* like you.
    ^ 100% impertinent nastiness

    I'd prefer not to wade through much more of this. Could you just tell me what you actually believe about the issue?

    I can't believe you've got enough patience to type out two paragraphs of ad hominem but not enough to write a single sentence describing what your view is.
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    (Original post by JNDSAN)
    what planet do you live on? Rational thinking? Okay go ahead and try that then chum lol, who else would it have likely been?
    Have you looked a the time stamp on my post? It was posted before IS had claimed responsibility. It is entirely rational to ask for evidence before pointing fingers. The evidence has since materialised, and I don't particularly mind finger-pointing now. It's not my fault that you haven't bothered to read past the first page of the thread.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Have you looked a the time stamp on my post? It was posted before IS had claimed responsibility. It is entirely rational to ask for evidence before pointing fingers. The evidence has since materialised, and I don't particularly mind finger-point now. It's not my fault that you haven't bothered to read past the first page of the thread.
    lol, i had in fact seen the time you wrote the first. I'd just love to know, even before it was (obviously) confirmed that ISIS committed the Paris attacks, who it could have otherwise been, given....um.... everything thats gone on in the middle east and europe as of late?! so I say, as i did in the beginning, get real and read the news. im not replying anymore or getting in an argument so reply if you wish, but i wont be reading it.
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    (Original post by JNDSAN)
    lol, i had in fact seen the time you wrote the first. I'd just love to know, even before it was (obviously) confirmed that ISIS committed the Paris attacks, who it could have otherwise been, given....um.... everything thats gone on in the middle east and europe as of late?! so I say, as i did in the beginning, get real and read the news. im not replying anymore or getting in an argument so reply if you wish, but i wont be reading it.
    Sure, you won't. Kind of like the fact that you're a rational person. Oh wait... :rolleyes:

    I did read the news and withheld judgement until a positive statement confirming responsibility had arrived. I don't see why you and a number of other people on this thread seem to think that it's okay to assume without evidence in this one instance. To use 'who else could it have been?' argument is to ask me to prove a negative (that it definitely wasn't IS) and that I can't be asked to do, sorry. The burden of proof is on you if you claim, without evidence, that it was IS before it had been established.

    Have a nice time trying to pretend you didn't read this.
 
 
 
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