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    Good to see a labour Minster say he is a socialist.... The first step is admitting you have a problem
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I hope not but I imagine it could be a couple of seats in it (it's 3 this term).

    I can't help but feel there isn't as much difference between Welsh Labour and the Welsh Conservatives compared with the nationwide parties. If it weren't for the branding (and long memories, primarily on the Labour side) I think a grand coalition would be viable for Wales, and possibly less dysfunctional than Lab-Plaid.
    Same as Scotland, stuck in between the socialist SNPs and the Tories who seem to be winning the unionist vote.

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    Same as Scotland, stuck in between the socialist SNPs and the Tories who seem to be winning the unionist vote.

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    The SNP aren't socialist.
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    Wtf is going on, the house is still sitting

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    The SNP aren't socialist.
    They're practically Scottish Labour but pro-indy. So no, they're not really socialist.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Same as Scotland, stuck in between the socialist SNPs and the Tories who seem to be winning the unionist vote.
    Slightly different in that Labour are still the major party on the left, but the line has not really changed from the New Labour line from when they entered government in 1999, not that I'm complaining. Add to that a moderate Tory party in Wales and there is a decent amount of common ground.

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    Wtf is going on, the house is still sitting
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Slightly different in that Labour are still the major party on the left, but the line has not really changed from the New Labour line from when they entered government in 1999, not that I'm complaining. Add to that a moderate Tory party in Wales and there is a decent amount of common ground.



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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    They're practically Scottish Labour but pro-indy. So no, they're not really socialist.
    They're not even, scottish labour are further left, the SNP are a bunch of rhetoric because pro-indy scots are mostly left wing.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    They're not even, scottish labour are further left, the SNP are a bunch of rhetoric because pro-indy scots are mostly left wing.
    Yeah, you're right there. They never really struck me as left wing, just centre-left Scots who detest us.
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    Adjournment debate for RL house only started at 2318

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    The SNP aren't socialist.
    Haven't followed that much in Scotland but certainly left of Scot Labour, so cant be too far off.

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    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100...
    If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
    The fifth would pay £1.
    The sixth would pay £3.
    The seventh would pay £7..
    The eighth would pay £12.
    The ninth would pay £18.
    The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
    So, that's what they decided to do..
    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
    "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
    So the first four men were unaffected.
    They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
    The paying customers?
    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
    subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
    So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
    And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
    The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
    The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
    The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
    The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
    The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).
    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
    "I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.
    He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got £10!"
    "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
    "That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
    "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
    The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
    And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.
    The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
    Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.
    In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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    Seen this before. Was thick as **** then, thick as **** now.
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    Interesting looking at some new polling this morning. The SNP supporters still believe sturgeon is God, so clearly education in Scotland is still broken, more interesting however is that a third of people say Davidson would be the best leader of the opposition and only 18pc for Dugdale, more people (23%) think neither would.

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    The 'dodgy Dave' jibe is absolutely hilarious... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36017171
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    The 'dodgy Dave' jibe is absolutely hilarious... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36017171
    I prefer the "he [Skinner] is used to this". I must say, being kicked out of the chamber is definitely the best way to represent one's constituents...

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I prefer the "he [Skinner] is used to this". I must say, being kicked out of the chamber is definitely the best way to represent one's constituents...

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    This is the fifth time Skinner has been kicked out the chamber. LOL. What a lad.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Interesting looking at some new polling this morning. The SNP supporters still believe sturgeon is God, so clearly education in Scotland is still broken, more interesting however is that a third of people say Davidson would be the best leader of the opposition and only 18pc for Dugdale, more people (23%) think neither would.

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    Davidson is doing very well as a Tory leader in Scotland, quite possibly my preferred pick for next Tory leader, although it wouldn't happen.
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    This is the fifth time Skinner has been kicked out the chamber. LOL. What a lad.
    Only the fifth?

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Davidson is doing very well as a Tory leader in Scotland, quite possibly my preferred pick for next Tory leader, although it wouldn't happen.
    First openly homosexual PM?

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