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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    A bit defensive ain't you ? Mate it was in the daily fail - you can not get more right wing then the daily mail and the sun. Bombarding me because i posted something you do not like? deal with it. Instead of bombarding me with questions surely you would contact the creators of the survey or did you not think of this. I know it may not represent the full audience or may be slightly wrong but they still used a good sample size which proved the hypothesis correct. So bombard the creators with questions not me.
    A good sample size does not necessarily lead to an accurate conclusion, does this mean that if I select 10,000 highly intelligent right wingers and 10,000 very low intelligence left wingers, will you accept the conclusion that right wingers are far more intelligent than left wingers because I have a sample size of 20,000?

    And the mail and sun really are not as right as it gets, or have you forgotten that the Telegraph exists? And both of them will shift what they write to sell papers to the masses, the sun in particular, and will change its political position to sell as well as it can and back the winning horse whenever it can.
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    Yes, moi. A couple of your colleagues have been here long enough to remember me when I presented as male and aren't particularly accepting about it.
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    No. Rakas Called Saoirsea man.
    Right. I'll be giving this conversation a wide berth then.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    A good sample size does not necessarily lead to an accurate conclusion, does this mean that if I select 10,000 highly intelligent right wingers and 10,000 very low intelligence left wingers, will you accept the conclusion that right wingers are far more intelligent than left wingers because I have a sample size of 20,000?

    And the mail and sun really are not as right as it gets, or have you forgotten that the Telegraph exists? And both of them will shift what they write to sell papers to the masses, the sun in particular, and will change its political position to sell as well as it can and back the winning horse whenever it can.
    To answer your top question there was a large amount of people tested and the conclusion was fair they probably used cluster sampling to make it as random as possible. Where you are just cherry picking the people to side with your argument. To answer your question it is not to sell to the masses, it is to brainwash people into thinking that the conservatives represent the man on the streets view and in my area and many other areas this is untrue , they want conservatives in not to sell more papers to get themselves a tax cut think of it from a corporate point of view. Sun sells for one reason page 3 , who is brought by the average joe. Because cameron doesn't have the guts to tell murdoch and his other bullingdon boys to pay tax , it gives him an excuse to cut welfare further. It serves a sole purpose the sun to make labour look bad- murdoch only switched to blair because he had an argument with major otherwise tony would of never won despite making Major look stupid on many ocassions
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    Right. I'll be giving this conversation a wide berth then.
    Good idea.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    To answer your top question there was a large amount of people tested and the conclusion was fair they probably used cluster sampling to make it as random as possible. Where you are just cherry picking the people to side with your argument. To answer your question it is not to sell to the masses, it is to brainwash people into thinking that the conservatives represent the man on the streets view and in my area and many other areas this is untrue , they want conservatives in not to sell more papers to get themselves a tax cut think of it from a corporate point of view. Sun sells for one reason page 3 , who is brought by the average joe. Because cameron doesn't have the guts to tell murdoch and his other bullingdon boys to pay tax , it gives him an excuse to cut welfare further. It serves a sole purpose the sun to make labour look bad- murdoch only switched to blair because he had an argument with major otherwise tony would of never won despite making Major look stupid on many ocassions
    Wait, so you haven't seen the study but you know for certain that it was done in a fair and correct way?

    If you really are too blind to see beyond your own nose that you do not become one of the biggest selling papers by taking extreme views, and ignore, as you often do, that the reality runs contrary to your opinion then there really is little point arguing.
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    Time for my two cents...

    People are entitled to hold whatever opinion they want - if someone doesn't agree with being transsexual or doesn't think it is an issue, fine. If someone does, fine. What I don't agree with is calling people a '****' for not agreeing with their point of view. What right have you got to insult Life_peer for stating his view when you have stated yours.

    Real freedom of speech means both sides of an argument can speak. Censoring opposing views is the very definition of bigotry.

    (And by the way, I agree with you Saoirse:3 that Rakas21 was insensitive, but he is still entitled to his opinion, whether you like said opinion or not.)
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Wait, so you haven't seen the study but you know for certain that it was done in a fair and correct way?

    If you really are too blind to see beyond your own nose that you do not become one of the biggest selling papers by taking extreme views, and ignore, as you often do, that the reality runs contrary to your opinion then there really is little point arguing.
    The media has always been right wing for it's corporate gain , the only paper i read is the mirror because it is the only paper which tells us what is happening in the real world ,and not cameron wrote articles. The sun are right wing for corporate reasons and so are the rest apart from the mirror, they will quite happily run a propaganda campaign against the Labour party they have done it for a long time. I would hazard a guess that it is correct those on the right seem deluded and hard done by which neither is correct. I will give you your chance defend Murdoch who owes the country £400 Million pounds and that is not counting anything after 1999, but capitalists would prefer tax evaders as it gives them the chance to cut public spending, all of the leaders we have had since the 80's have been spineless and have not asked him to pay tax I have no doubt you will defend Murdoch. The sun sells for one reason Page 3 no other reason. The mail is brought like posh boys you're probably a customer
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Sorry, I should have been clearer there - I meant that if you were to it'd be a "**** move" as it were. I do appreciate that you've changed personally

    Even before my body and life were adjusted to the extent they are now, I'd have been the same. It has always been the way I've seen myself and interacted with people even though that meant I really did not have a good time socially for many years - I could not interact with others as a boy. Heck, before I started school - so until the age of three or four - my assumption was just that I'd grow up to be a woman like my mum did Being female was the most natural thing in the world to me. I can't say before that but I'm very confident that if at the age of eight I'd been asked the question, I'd have chosen to instantly change sex rather than remove the feelings. I'm confident most trans* people would be the same. Gender identity develops wayyyy before puberty, I know that much from experience.
    My mistake, it really appears to be developing sooner. Perhaps I won't ever be able to properly understand the dissonance that transgender people experience but I think that rather similarly, transgender people that would be facing the choice couldn't fully realise its effects before undergoing the treatment.

    While I must say that being confronted with your personal experience leaves me more sympathetic to similar people and their requests, I still believe that the right answers to helping them live carefree lives lie elsewhere, though it's debatable what we should do until they're available.

    I think that both sides of the argument should chill out and make way for unbiased research. After all, I'd wager that even things like NHS-funded surgeries are probably just a drop in the sea compared to expenses on obesity treatment…

    By the way, my reluctance to use the ‘post-transformation’ pronouns is probably just a stubborn manifestation of my hostility towards what I perceive as LGBT lobby and their methods of operation, hence nothing personal. I think that they're damaging the cause more than they're helping it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Owen Jones is somebody i hate politically with a passion. He's incredibly condescending and pretentious in almost all his interviews, he's like Sturgeon when she talks about how socially aware Scotland is. Irritating.
    He's cute tho.
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    (Original post by Tahret)
    (And by the way, I agree with you Saoirse:3 that Rakas21 was insensitive, but he is still entitled to his opinion, whether you like said opinion or not.)
    Theres a difference between having an opinion and being completely insensitive though.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    The media has always been right wing for it's corporate gain , the only paper i read is the mirror because it is the only paper which tells us what is happening in the real world ,and not cameron wrote articles. The sun are right wing for corporate reasons and so are the rest apart from the mirror, they will quite happily run a propaganda campaign against the Labour party they have done it for a long time. I would hazard a guess that it is correct those on the right seem deluded and hard done by which neither is correct. I will give you your chance defend Murdoch who owes the country £400 Million pounds and that is not counting anything after 1999, but capitalists would prefer tax evaders as it gives them the chance to cut public spending, all of the leaders we have had since the 80's have been spineless and have not asked him to pay tax I have no doubt you will defend Murdoch. The sun sells for one reason Page 3 no other reason. The mail is brought like posh boys you're probably a customer
    Wait, so now the mirror is the only left wing British paper?
    And in my experience the "posh boys" don't read the mail, they tend to be more likely to go for the Telegraph or Times, I'm not sure when I actually last bought the mail, the quality of the journalism in it is shocking, prefer the Telegraph, but that's going down the drain too and has been ever since it had to turn into the broadsheet Times to pander to the liberal online crowd, which does make me increasingly likely to just read the FT and have a quick scroll through the politics section of the DT app, but hey, if we are playing the "guess the paper" game, I would be inclined to say the guardian if we're sticking mainstream, but that might not be bad enough for you, Morning Star maybe?

    And if the Sun sells for Page 3 and page 3 alone then why is it still so successful? Why, without Page 3, was The News of the World the best selling English language paper and even at the end was well up there as one of the best?
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    Theres a difference between having an opinion and being completely insensitive though.
    Some of us don't feel compelled to censor our views to pander to the sensitive.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Wait, so now the mirror is the only left wing British paper?
    And in my experience the "posh boys" don't read the mail, they tend to be more likely to go for the Telegraph or Times, I'm not sure when I actually last bought the mail, the quality of the journalism in it is shocking, prefer the Telegraph, but that's going down the drain too and has been ever since it had to turn into the broadsheet Times to pander to the liberal online crowd, which does make me increasingly likely to just read the FT and have a quick scroll through the politics section of the DT app, but hey, if we are playing the "guess the paper" game, I would be inclined to say the guardian if we're sticking mainstream, but that might not be bad enough for you, Morning Star maybe?

    And if the Sun sells for Page 3 and page 3 alone then why is it still so successful? Why, without Page 3, was The News of the World the best selling English language paper and even at the end was well up there as one of the best?
    Because of your tory hacking friend Andy Coulson?
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Theres a difference between having an opinion and being completely insensitive though.
    I wasn't intending to be offensive, I was simply calling somebody by what I perceive to be their biological gender and providing my opinion of a group of people. In this instance I believe some people had an overreaction.

    I'd never intentionally offend somebody though, I consider resorting to personal attacks to be indicative of inferiority (intellectual in this instance).
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Some of us don't feel compelled to censor our views to pander to the sensitive.
    Some of us dont enjoy hurting peoples feelings.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    Because of your tory hacking friend Andy Coulson?
    So the people that read these papers who seem to have difficulty reading words with more than 3 syllables, only seem to care about celebrity gossip and don't even know who their paper's head editor is will buy a paper because of said head editor?


    (Original post by United1892)
    Some of us dont enjoy hurting peoples feelings.
    You don't have to enjoy something to do it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I wasn't intending to be offensive, I was simply calling somebody by what I perceive to be their biological gender and providing my opinion of a group of people. In this instance I believe some people had an overreaction.

    I'd never intentionally offend somebody though, I consider resorting to personal attacks to be indicative of inferiority (intellectual in this instance).
    Gender is a social construction, I believe you mean biological sex, or gender assigned to them at birth
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Gender is a social construction, I believe you mean biological sex, or gender assigned to them at birth
    Opinion, not fact! Is gender actually a social construct, given that gender has been shown to affect the structure of the brain.

    http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-ge...cial-construct
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I wasn't intending to be offensive, I was simply calling somebody by what I perceive to be their biological gender and providing my opinion of a group of people. In this instance I believe some people had an overreaction.

    I'd never intentionally offend somebody though, I consider resorting to personal attacks to be indicative of inferiority (intellectual in this instance).
    Do you think refusing to call saoirse a girl is going to cause anything other than offence.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So the people that read these papers who seem to have difficulty reading words with more than 3 syllables, only seem to care about celebrity gossip and don't even know who their paper's head editor is will buy a paper because of said head editor?




    You don't have to enjoy something to do it.
    You must really be deluded my friend these are the celebrities coulson did
    They did price harrys phone
    Prince williams phone
    Gordon brown
    Hugh Grant
    They only had to publish stories such as the one about gordon browns son and people will purchase it to take the piss out of labour because citizen tax evader murdoch wants him too
 
 
 
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