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    (Original post by amizzle91)
    Haven't heard of Neil_K, I feel like I'm missing out.

    You can guarantee though, if there's a thread about fat people, Matzy/Jimbo1234 will be in here screaming 'HEDONISM' and 'DEPRESSED FAT PEOPLE' before you can say 'cheeseburgers'.
    Haha Neil_K is a new one I think.

    LOL I know, they're everywhere. Jimbo always goes on about how people need to look like the PussyCat Dolls in every post, it's quite sad. You'd think they'd have picked a new topic by now.
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    OP is obviously unattractive.
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    Fat or not, she'd get it.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    Haha Neil_K is a new one I think.

    LOL I know, they're everywhere. Jimbo always goes on about how people need to look like the PussyCat Dolls in every post, it's quite sad. You'd think they'd have picked a new topic by now.
    And you'd have thought you girls would have got the hint that fat isn't attractive, but hey, easier to pretend it is then to exercise, right?
    Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
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    It looks as though a different head has been placed on the body.

    I agree that a more supportave bra is most definietley needed, lol, but i still wouldn't say she's "fat". Sitting down doesn't give the best posture anyway.

    And... i so would.
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    Wow, some people are pretty shallow. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think she's gorgeous non the less. Very pretty face. So what if she is a bit overweight or 'not considered to be a perfect size 10'. If we all listened to narrow minded people like those in the media or some of you lot, no one would leave the bloody house.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    And you'd have thought you girls would have got the hint that fat isn't attractive, but hey, easier to pretend it is then to exercise, right?
    Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
    Some guys do find fat girls attractive.

    It's 'than' by the way, not 'then'. Fail.

    Also, I'm not fat, so once again:
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    (Original post by .ali.)
    the line is drawn where harm to others is caused. Fat people aren't harming you.

    Fat people pay their taxes, so they're paying for their own treatment.

    And promoting images of overtly skinny women causes eating disorders (which can lead to a whole host of other health problems), depression, unhealthy body image, need i go on? So stop acting as if fat people are the cause of all the problems.

    It's her choice. Also, size isn't the only indicator of health.

    They pay their taxes like everyone else, so they do pay for their own treatment. As i said, everyone has problems that can be argued to be self inflicted. Smokers, drinkers, etc.

    At least you're consistent. I personally disagree, i don't have a problem with smokers being treated. What's your stance on self harmers then? People with mental illnesses who self inflict their wounds? Is that entirely their fault? Just extending your argument to see how far you take it.



    Ha, not the brightest bulb in the christmas tree? Not to 'pip my own horn', but i'm one of the top students in my year and quite intelligent, but yes, your judgement on my intelligence is clearly correct, mazty. :rolleyes:

    I countered all of them, therefore, you've yet to give me a decent reason.

    "men to find attractive women" is the most pathetic reason i've ever heard. I see plenty of unattractive men all the time. Also, people find different things attractive, so yeah, fail.
    If I would give you 1,000,000 thumbs up, I totally would!
    LOL
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    (Original post by NellGwynne)
    If I would give you 1,000,000 thumbs up, I totally would!
    LOL
    Thankyou! He's an arse lol.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    The line is drawn where harm to others is caused. Fat people aren't harming you.

    Fat people pay their taxes, so they're paying for their own treatment.

    And promoting images of overtly skinny women causes eating disorders (which can lead to a whole host of other health problems), depression, unhealthy body image, need I go on? So stop acting as if fat people are the cause of all the problems.

    It's her choice. Also, size isn't the only indicator of health.

    They pay their taxes like everyone else, so they do pay for their own treatment. As I said, everyone has problems that can be argued to be self inflicted. Smokers, drinkers, etc.

    At least you're consistent. I personally disagree, I don't have a problem with smokers being treated. What's your stance on self harmers then? People with mental illnesses who self inflict their wounds? Is that entirely their fault? Just extending your argument to see how far you take it.

    Ha, not the brightest bulb in the Christmas tree? Not to 'pip my own horn', but I'm one of the top students in my year and quite intelligent, but yes, your judgement on my intelligence is clearly correct, Mazty. :rolleyes:

    I countered all of them, therefore, you've yet to give me a decent reason.

    "Men to find attractive women" is the most pathetic reason I've ever heard. I see plenty of unattractive men all the time. Also, people find different things attractive, so yeah, fail.
    - Fat don't harm society? What if a fat person is driving, due to high blood pressure has a heart attack, runs into someone, kills them. How about the extra costs of having to cater for fat people may mean little Jimmy doesn't have the funding for his dialysis? What about the psychological implications of having more depressed people in society? Don't be naive.
    - A fat persons taxes may not cover all the expenses depending on the amount of operations they have. And still, the NHS isn't there to be abused - self harming and then seeking medical treatment is abusing the system and wasting doctors time.
    - Why you going on about skinny women? Don't digress and make strawmen arguments.
    - Self harmers shouldn't be treated depending on circumstance. If they have a genuine problem that has caused self-harm e.g. mental problem, fair enough, they should be treated as they cannot help it. If they have harmed themselves for non-medical reasons, as smokers and fat people do, they should not be treated by any medical institution but should have to pay to go privately. NHS is treating people with genuine medical problems. Self-harming due to idiocy is not a genuine problem.
    - Size is a very good indicator of health. Again don't be naive.
    - If you win the reading contest in a class filled with kids with autism, you are a winner, but on the grand scheme of things you aren't very high. Understand?
    - So you are just going to ignore the social implications I mentioned and say "hum eeeer like doznt count cuz i sayz so!". What a thoughtful argument.
    - Health is a main sign of attraction. This is a well known fact :rolleyes: Reproducing is a vital human need. Imagine a society where a lot of the men don't find the women attractive. Do you really think that would be a good society? Would it kill you to think just a little bit?
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    Some guys do find fat girls attractive.
    Which explains 'squashers' and such... People have their own tastes and whatever. I don't see what the problem is. If they ain't casing others harm.. what's the big deal?
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    It's ethical human rights to be allowed to pick your own lifestyle. If they want to be fat, let them be fat. SIMPLE. Comprendes?
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    Some guys do find fat girls attractive.

    It's 'than' by the way, not 'then'. Fail.

    Also, I'm not fat, so once again:

    I never said you were fat I said fat isn't attractive. See the difference? :top:

    Now go away and read this because you clearly think you know better than science:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...eated%20topics

    (Original post by NellGwynne)
    Wow, some people are pretty shallow. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think she's gorgeous non the less. Very pretty face. So what if she is a bit overweight or 'not considered to be a perfect size 10'. If we all listened to narrow minded people like those in the media or some of you lot, no one would leave the bloody house.
    No it's not in the eye of the beholder; read the info in the link above.
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    I think the main thing is to really establish what fat is, because there are many people who can be a size 12 and look fat and other who are size 12 and look thin. I think some people in here, not quoting anyone are using some extreme conditions and picking situations where this type of 'incident' hardly occurs or at least it does not cause as much of a problem as what they are making it out to...

    I just don't see why thet should be discriminated against? =/
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    (Original post by Mazty)

    No it's not in the eye of the beholder; read the info in the link above.
    But it is... it's something that to each person is unique because I sure as hell know that Idon't find attractive what some people do...

    And I'll check the link out. Hang on.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    So when you wake up next to a man in 10 years, thinking "What if I had made more out of myself?"you won't regret anything? Bull ****. You know that you will question what your life & partner could have been if you had put in more effort.
    This thread is about fat. Of course it's also about health. There you go with your denial trying to separate weight and health in an attempt to comfort yourself.
    Fat is not socially acceptable and never will be thanks to nature. Fat = unhealthy therefore it is not EVER going to be seen as socially acceptable.
    If you don't like fat people, you don't like yourself. Simple logic :o:
    You don't care about a persons size, therefore you are exceptionally shallow and short sighted as you do not realise that you can tell a lot about a persons character from their appearance. As I stated before, you can tell certain negative traits if a person is overweight e.g. hedonistic and more likely to be depressed than your average person.
    You are insecure. Why else do you warp reality? Fun? No, it's because you are insecure. It's not like I need to know what your hobbies are or what you do on Saturday to know if you are insecure or not. You ignore your health & just "accept" you are fat. Congratulations you have given up on trying to be healthy. Because that's a sign of a secure person.

    I did not say fat people cannot be nice people. Nice strawman argument & pathetic way to bail out of an argument. Also kudos on the childish insult at the end. So you are insecure and unpleasant. I guess it'd just be karma if you had an unhappy life
    You make me laugh, troll
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    - Increased NHS costs.
    That's not a good reason. We can't live our lives on the basis of decreasing government spending of the NHS. Should people stop smoking and drinking because it will reduce NHS costs?

    - Problematic for men to find attractive women.
    I disagree with that. The majority of men on this thread have said they would engage in sex with the female. Furthermore, it's not women's ultimate goal in life to make men find them attractive. If it was, women would spend far more time on their appearance than than they do.

    - Bad for society as a whole as hedonism is not agreeable with society.
    Wrong. We live in a capitalism society and hedonism is the main drive behind that. Do people go out to work because they want to improve society? No. They go out to work because they want to increase their quality of their life.

    If you don't like fat women Mazty, no one is forcing you to marry one. Why not avoid them and engage in a relationship with any woman who will have you.
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    Okay so I see your 'genetic facts' or more so 'theories' or how it is not in the eye of the beholder - however, how do you explain personal preferences.. because they generally are not things we chose.. They are things that are intrinsic and innate.. We cannot pick and choose the basic forms and levels of attraction...
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    Being fat is not sane.
    lol
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    Some guys do find fat girls attractive.

    It's 'than' by the way, not 'then'. Fail.

    Also, I'm not fat, so once again:
    For the most part, this is not the case. These men are just settling. If they could choose between a fat woman and a that same woman being slim, 99.99999% of the time, the slim version would be preferred.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    - Fat don't harm society? What if a fat person is driving, due to high blood pressure has a heart attack, runs into someone, kills them. How about the extra costs of having to cater for fat people may mean little Jimmy doesn't have the funding for his dialysis? What about the psychological implications of having more depressed people in society? Don't be naive.
    And if someone crashes their car because they're driving while stoned? Or texting at the wheel? Or applying their make-up in the wing mirror? There are so many things that could cause a road accident. That is a very weak argument indeed.

    As I've already said, fat people pay their taxes so they're entitled to treatment.

    There are many bother causes for depression, that the government don't address. Have you ever considered the reasons fat people may be depressed is because people like you constantly put them down? You're very close minded.

    - A fat persons taxes may not cover all the expenses depending on the amount of operations they have. And still, the NHS isn't there to be abused - self harming and then seeking medical treatment is abusing the system and wasting doctors time.
    I find that insulting to be honest. Self harmers do not waste NHS time, they have a condition that causes them to act that way. It's not their fault. As I've said, close minded. Also, not all fat people have to have operations, not even close.

    - Why you going on about skinny women? Don't digress and make strawmen arguments.
    To make a point that fat people are not the cause of every problem in society, as you seem to think.

    - Self harmers shouldn't be treated depending on circumstance. If they have a genuine problem that has caused self-harm e.g. mental problem, fair enough, they should be treated as they cannot help it. If they have harmed themselves for non-medical reasons, as smokers and fat people do, they should not be treated by any medical institution but should have to pay to go privately. NHS is treating people with genuine medical problems. Self-harming due to idiocy is not a genuine problem.
    Ah okay, fair enough about the mental health point.
    They pay their taxes, it's their body, they can do what they want with it. I don't understand why you think someone isn't entitled to what they pay for.

    - Size is a very good indicator of health. Again don't be naive.
    Not really. It can be, but not in every case, so it's ignorant to say so.

    - If you win the reading contest in a class filled with kids with autism, you are a winner, but on the grand scheme of things you aren't very high. Understand?
    Is that an attempt to insult my intelligence? Aww what a shame, I might be offended if you had any factual base for that comment.

    - So you are just going to ignore the social implications I mentioned and say "hum eeeer like doznt count cuz i sayz so!". What a thoughtful argument.
    Where have I said that?

    - Health is a main sign of attraction. This is a well known fact :rolleyes: Reproducing is a vital human need. Imagine a society where a lot of the men don't find the women attractive. Do you really think that would be a good society? Would it kill you to think just a little bit?
    The first thing I look at in a guy is his eyes. Funny, as that's not affected by his size, health, fitness or whatever. :rolleyes:

    Actually, something that affects attraction is a symetrical face. A study was done on the topic, and people found those faces more attractive. The reason why, was because their genes were homozygous, meaning they had more immunity to diseases and were less likely to have genetic problems as their genes were very different. So actually, the face may be more of an inidcator than size.

    Fat people do not harm society. However, your grammar burns my eyes. I've highlighted the parts that need improvement.
 
 
 
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