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    Their Musudan missiles are the untested one's 3 of which are currently deployed. Why would they decide to test one of them in the middle of a military stand off. Do they think they could fix the other two in the time it took the Americans to think "Their missiles don't work! Quick, now's our chance!"?
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Meanwhile at the pentagon:

    "Ah yes, as we expected the North Koreans are testing a missile. Get on with your work everyone."

    "Sir its coming this way"

    "Oh the rotters."
    I doubt that that is what is going to occur.

    If this nuclear test goes ahead and is really a nuclear test, clearly we can then see that all of this nonsense has been posturing and will probably continue again and again - it will have been posturing and for internal consumption AT HOME, rather than for external consumption; i.e. Kim will have wanted to show that he was carrying out his threats through a show of force or something.

    On the other hand, I could be wrong, unfortunately and terrifyingly. But I don't think NK would be that stupid. But even if they do fire a nuke for the purposes of attack, would the United States fire a nuke at NK - with its ally South Korea so near and whatnot, I am doubtful whether that would occur; and yet it might? Even so, the retaliation would be severe - I'm sure a ground invasion (US-led) would swiftly ensue. I do wonder what China will say in the event of NK attacking...

    But history shows (although this has been one of the most extreme periods of rhetoric, especially alongside NK's nuclear capability now) that it may just be posturing on the part of NK.

    In any case, in reference to an attack by NK under the guise of a nuclear test - I won't believe it until I see it and I wish I won't be able to see it.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Their Musudan missiles are the untested one's 3 of which are currently deployed. Why would they decide to test one of them in the middle of a military stand off. Do they think they could fix the other two in the time it took the Americans to think "Their missiles don't work! Quick, now's our chance!"?
    So what are you implying? :holmes:
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    I doubt that that is what is going to occur.

    If this nuclear test goes ahead and is really a nuclear test, clearly we can then see that all of this nonsense has been posturing and will probably continue again and again - it will have been posturing and for internal consumption AT HOME, rather than for external consumption; i.e. Kim will have wanted to show that he was carrying out his threats through a show of force or something.

    On the other hand, I could be wrong, unfortunately and terrifyingly. But I don't think NK would be that stupid. But even if they do fire a nuke for the purposes of attack, would the United States fire a nuke at NK - with its ally South Korea so near and whatnot, I am doubtful whether that would occur; and yet it might? Even so, the retaliation would be severe - I'm sure a ground invasion (US-led) would swiftly ensue. I do wonder what China will say in the event of NK attacking...

    But history shows (although this has been one of the most extreme periods of rhetoric, especially alongside NK's nuclear capability now) that it may just be posturing on the part of NK.

    In any case, in reference to an attack by NK under the guise of a nuclear test - I won't believe it until I see it and I wish I won't be able to see it.
    It won't come to that. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of some of the media reports. For example their latest reports on how Chinas latest statement is some sort of coded message about how theyre really, really annoyed with NK now.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    It won't come to that. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of some of the media reports. For example their latest reports on how Chinas latest statement is some sort of coded message about how theyre really, really annoyed with NK now.
    What do you think it will come to, then?
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    So what are you implying? :holmes:
    That the story doesn't really make sense. Another Nuclear test makes more sense. I was reading a Russian site which says that what upset NK was the Americans practising for a nuclear strike in their recent manoeuvres over SK. Which is essentially threatening them. It certainly fits with events because NK has responded with similar threats. It shows their actions as like for like retaliation rather than the unhinged bear with a sore head behaviour that our media is trying to portray it as. Assuming the Russian news is telling the truth. If they're not then our media really has some catching up to do on the lying front.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    What do you think it will come to, then?
    I dunno. I still think that earthquake was a bit too much of a coincidence. I think we may see a sort of American draw where both sides back down.
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    http://rt.com/op-edge/us-wants-new-korean-war-402/

    ^^ Russian article I mentioned.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    I dunno. I still think that earthquake was a bit too much of a coincidence. I think we may see a sort of American draw where both sides back down.
    What's the earthquake in Russia got to do with North Korea. I confess that I immediately latched onto the earthquake and became suspicious - but that was just me; if the article had said "5.2 earthquake measured in Russia" instead of "5.2 earthquake near North Korea and China", then I doubt I would have paid any attention to it. There was also a similar scale earthquake on the same day, but in Northern Siberia.

    Now I don't see how an earthquake in a neighbouring country has anything to do with North Korea.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    What's the earthquake in Russia got to do with North Korea. I confess that I immediately latched onto the earthquake and became suspicious - but that was just me; if the article had said "5.2 earthquake measured in Russia" instead of "5.2 earthquake near North Korea and China", then I doubt I would have paid any attention to it. There was also a similar scale earthquake on the same day, but in Northern Siberia.

    Now I don't see how an earthquake in a neighbouring country has anything to do with North Korea.
    Because It was in the bit of Russia closest to NK while all this is going on. Also it happened almost bang on 12 o'clock. Its likely there's a fair few military instilations around there already and if not the Russians drilling a hole there would take no more foresight than loading an extra bullet for a warning shot into a gun you figured you'd have to threaten someone with sometime.

    It kinda fits what I've seen of the Russians. During the Georgia thing Russia got loads of Putin look alikes to address foreign media in the manner of Saddam. Appearing similar to say "why not fight us instead" it seemed. Plus I think the Soviets probably did most of the backing down during the Cuba stand off. Russia may think its Americas turn.

    I dunno tho. I don't really feel like factoring in much of the reports about it after the BBC's report on how things are at the bit of NK's north border with no tanks.
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonch...erican-cities/
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    http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...93706H20130408

    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed concern on Monday about the escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula and said conflict there could cause greater devastation than the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.

    "I would make no secret about it, we are worried about the escalation on the Korean peninsula, because we are neighbours," Putin told a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a visit to a trade fair in Germany.

    "And if, God forbid, something happens, Chernobyl which we all know a lot about, may seem like a child's fairy tale. Is there such a threat or not? I think there is... I would urge everyone to calm down... and start to resolve the problems that have piled up for many years there at the negotiating table."

    Putin also praised a U.S. decision at the weekend to postpone a planned missile test as part of efforts to reduce tensions on the Korean peninsula.

    "I think we should all thank the U.S. leadership for this step. I hope it will be noticed by our North Korean partners, that certain conclusions will be drawn, everyone will calm down and start joint work to ease the situation." (Reporting by Alexei Anishchuk, writing by Gareth Jones, editing by Noah Barkin)
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...e-to-the-hague

    What planets this guy living on? NK are getting behind every bit of armament they've got. They've got the Chinese army ready to sweep in and this guy thinks we can stop them in their tracks with a summons. What a pity we didn't have him in ww2. If only we thought of that we could've just jailed Hitler after Poland.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    RT
    Telling the truth
    Oh, yeah, definitely.
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    BBC announcing that the North has temporarily shut Kaesong, the industrial zone on the border run by the South but employing 50,000+ North Koreans.
    An unusual step, seeing as it earns millions of dollars-worth of currency for the North.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    BBC announcing that the North has temporarily shut Kaesong, the industrial zone on the border run by the South but employing 50,000+ North Koreans.
    An unusual step, seeing as it earns millions of dollars-worth of currency for the North.
    China may be going to pick up the slack. There's obviously joint planning going on.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonch...erican-cities/

    This says that China has been mobilising forces to the border since mid last month so there's clearly joint planning happening. The Chinese must have actually been sending the forces as they were agreeing to the sanctions which the media then portrayed as them finally getting pissed off with NK.

    It's interesting that the media is trying to play down the animosity between nations. Perhaps to quell potential "Hang on a minute I'm studying mandarin and like the Chinese. Who exactly are you, the "free press" who elects our governments and tell us that China should have a free press (owned by you) too and that aggression in the name of "freedom" is just supposed to be representing anyway?"
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    China may be going to pick up the slack. There's obviously joint planning going on.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonch...erican-cities/

    This says that China has been mobilising forces to the border since mid last month so there's clearly joint planning happening. The Chinese must have actually been sending the forces as they were agreeing to the sanctions which the media then portrayed as them finally getting pissed off with NK.

    It's interesting that the media is trying to play down the animosity between nations. Perhaps to quell potential "Hang on a minute I'm studying mandarin and like the Chinese. Who exactly are you, the "free press" who elects our governments and tell us that China should have a free press (owned by you) too and that aggression is just in the name of "freedom" supposed to be representing anyway?"
    There's a yes and no element to all that. Yes it's in China's interest to keep the 'buffer' between themselves and a US ally, especially at a time when it's looking to develop it's strength in Asia, but North Korea won't be as easily manipulated as other states on the Chinese border. The cult of personality in NK is too strong for that, so either China has to be very careful and delicate with their handling of it all, or it could all blow up in their faces - literally.

    So, while there may be truth to them coordinating their actions, there's also no doubt an element of truth in the fact that they have to be ready in case that fails. Plan A is fine. But it means nothing if you then don't have a Plan B or Plan C.
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    I'm much less concerned about NK and a rather negligible threat, than whether or not China would join in if the US decides to attack in a war.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    There's a yes and no element to all that. Yes it's in China's interest to keep the 'buffer' between themselves and a US ally, especially at a time when it's looking to develop it's strength in Asia, but North Korea won't be as easily manipulated as other states on the Chinese border. The cult of personality in NK is too strong for that, so either China has to be very careful and delicate with their handling of it all, or it could all blow up in their faces - literally.

    So, while there may be truth to them coordinating their actions, there's also no doubt an element of truth in the fact that they have to be ready in case that fails. Plan A is fine. But it means nothing if you then don't have a Plan B or Plan C.
    I think its probably quite easy to manipulate a state thats totally reliant on you for supplies. The closing of the joint industrial complex actually gives China yet more control as the the more reliant on SK they became the obviously the less control China would have. It may be a smarter move to compete with China for this role but in order to do that you'd have to compete with China in terms of offer attractiveness. Aid for you staying in charge and keeping NK as you want is always gonna beat aid for regime change and democracy (which only comes good once we've re socialised you all with our media so that you stop electing governments that don't think what we want). China may be quite happy for us to continue making enemies of NK.
 
 
 
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