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    (Original post by fleur_de_haine)
    Maherro covered pretty much everything I'd have said.

    Where research is concerned I can't say I've come across all that many opportunities if any at all, though I haven't particularly gone looking. What I will say is that there isn't a research society based over here in Derby, and you might find trying to keep up with a society/activities over at University Park a stretch with the workload as suggested, as well as getting back and forth

    Also the PBL rooms are well equipped and the building (and rooms are accessible) 24/7, except where the other year is scheduled to use them for a PBL session. You'll probably have seen that they all have a few computers and the core textbooks in them, some also have kettles and fridges, though there is a kitchenette at the end of the corridor that has microwaves, a fridge and boiling water.
    Ace! Thanks for that. The kitchenette is news to me, so that useful.

    Any idea how long the year is, as in how many weeks? Or if you have the 2014/15 term dates to hand would be amazing!
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    (Original post by Zorg)
    Ace! Thanks for that. The kitchenette is news to me, so that useful.

    Any idea how long the year is, as in how many weeks? Or if you have the 2014/15 term dates to hand would be amazing!
    I don't have the term dates to hand at the moment, but the first term is 14, the second 11, and the third 11 for first year, with Christmas and Easter breaks being approximately three weeks each.
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    (Original post by fleur_de_haine)
    I don't have the term dates to hand at the moment, but the first term is 14, the second 11, and the third 11 for first year, with Christmas and Easter breaks being approximately three weeks each.
    Thank you. I'm sure I'll get the exact dates soon enough, just wanted to get my finances in order as soon as I could.

    The year does seem a lot shorter in comparison to most other GEMs. Most of the other's I'd seen were 40 weeks at the very least. Ah well.
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    (Original post by Zorg)
    Thank you. I'm sure I'll get the exact dates soon enough, just wanted to get my finances in order as soon as I could.

    The year does seem a lot shorter in comparison to most other GEMs. Most of the other's I'd seen were 40 weeks at the very least. Ah well.
    I suppose that might have something to do with the fact that a lot of places have their pre-clinical phase entirely in the first year, while at Notts it's spread over 18 months?

    In terms of more precise dates for this year we had:

    Year 1: 09.09.14 – 16.12.14, 3 week Christmas vacation, 05.01.15– 20.03.15, 3 week Easter vacation, 13.04.15 – 26.06.15, with second year starting right at the beginning of September
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    (Original post by fleur_de_haine)
    I suppose that might have something to do with the fact that a lot of places have their pre-clinical phase entirely in the first year, while at Notts it's spread over 18 months?

    In terms of more precise dates for this year we had:

    Year 1: 09.09.14 – 16.12.14, 3 week Christmas vacation, 05.01.15– 20.03.15, 3 week Easter vacation, 13.04.15 – 26.06.15, with second year starting right at the beginning of September
    Thanks for the dates.

    I suppose that is true. But does that not impede on your clinical training? In that does it ever feel like you learn less from clinical years as it is essentially 6 months shorter than elsewhere? I suppose this may be a question Maherro would have more experience to answer, but I'd value your opinion.
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    (Original post by Zorg)
    Thanks for the dates.

    I suppose that is true. But does that not impede on your clinical training? In that does it ever feel like you learn less from clinical years as it is essentially 6 months shorter than elsewhere? I suppose this may be a question Maherro would have more experience to answer, but I'd value your opinion.
    Leicester do pre clinical in 18 months too but we then have exactly the same length of clinical (2.5 years) as those on the five years. I highly doubt they would do it if it's not enough hours/chance to learn.

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    (Original post by Zorg)
    Thanks for the dates.

    I suppose that is true. But does that not impede on your clinical training? In that does it ever feel like you learn less from clinical years as it is essentially 6 months shorter than elsewhere? I suppose this may be a question Maherro would have more experience to answer, but I'd value your opinion.


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    Leicester do pre clinical in 18 months too but we then have exactly the same length of clinical (2.5 years) as those on the five years. I highly doubt they would do it if it's not enough hours/chance to learn.

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    Aye the same is true here, we have the same amount of clinical time as those on the 5 and 6 year courses here. I can't comment on how it feels as I haven't experienced it, but I haven't heard that from seniors. I would expect that if it had been an issue thus far changes would have been made. Also, the fact that time spent in the clinical phase is not necessarily an indicator of how much clinical time one actually has might well be a factor.
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    (Original post by fleur_de_haine)
    I suppose that might have something to do with the fact that a lot of places have their pre-clinical phase entirely in the first year, while at Notts it's spread over 18 months?

    In terms of more precise dates for this year we had:

    Year 1: 09.09.14 – 16.12.14, 3 week Christmas vacation, 05.01.15– 20.03.15, 3 week Easter vacation, 13.04.15 – 26.06.15, with second year starting right at the beginning of September
    Do you have exams to revise for over the holidays or are the assessments during term?


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    Do you have exams to revise for over the holidays or are the assessments during term?

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    Assessments are generally during term, though there are times that you might have an essay to do in the holiday such as Easter.
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    (Original post by Zorg)
    I had a few questions, if you wouldn't mind taking a stab at answering some.

    - How well equipped are the PBL rooms? Are they accessible 24/7? Or even just 7 days a week?

    - Anatomy teaching at Swansea seems incredibly well co-ordinated, with students from other Uni's utilising Swansea's Anatomy podcasts. Any idea how Nottingham compares?

    - Do GEM students tend to stay in Derby for the 4 years or move to Nottingham after 18 months? I realise this one is probably variable from year to year, but would be interested in hearing your experiences.

    - To what extent are basic science/clinical research activities available? I realise the majority of labs will be at Nottingham, but can students get involved in these? Even outside of curriculum? E.g. summer projects etc.

    With reference to research, this post seems to suggest there is a society for such antics, but at the open day last year the admissions tutors highlighted that we would be on an accelerated course and there likely wasn't time for that... :confused:
    Hi Zorg,

    The PBL rooms are open 24/7 and full of books that can't leave the rooms. All the rooms have projectors and computers.

    As for the anatomy we have online packages as well as weekly anatomy workbooks and sessions. You can also request to have the specimens and can go in and study any time.

    As for the accomodation after 18 months some stay and some move to nottingham.

    And as for research there are oppertunites however at any grad entry medicine degree you may be pushed for time. You don't want to over work.

    Hope this helps
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    (Original post by Zorg)
    Thanks for the dates.

    I suppose that is true. But does that not impede on your clinical training? In that does it ever feel like you learn less from clinical years as it is essentially 6 months shorter than elsewhere? I suppose this may be a question Maherro would have more experience to answer, but I'd value your opinion.
    In short: naaaaaah

    Clinical placement is very long with little holiday time. Believe me you will get plenty of experience. I haven't heard anyone complain about our 'lack' of clinical placement. To give you an idea of our placement structure:

    CP1: Gen Med/Surg split lasting 17 weeks

    CP2: Paeds 10 weeks, ObsGyne 10 weeks, Psych 6 weeks, Geriatrics 3 weeks, Specials 6 weeks, SSM 4 weeks (though have heard rumours of time being taken from paed and obgyn to make room for a primary care placement)

    CP3 : Primary care 4 weeks, critical care 4 weeks, surgery 8 weeks, medicine 8 weeks, ortho/rheum/muscularskeletal 6 weeks

    When compared to other medical schools its a little shorter but i don't really feel it makes a huge amount of difference tbh. I would prefer to have a solid 18 months of pre clinical behind me rather then just a year. I really don't think a year is long enough to properly learn and absorb everything you need to know for clinical years.

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    (Original post by N23456)
    Congrats to all you guys with offers.

    Can I ask how many times you've applied before getting offers? I'll be going into my third application, but only been interviewed this year as my first go was more of a trial run...
    Second application, absolutely no responses last year, four interviews and four offers this year, slightly in shock but I'd say absolutely apply again, it's incredible the difference a year can make!
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    (Original post by gre92)
    Second application, absolutely no responses last year, four interviews and four offers this year, slightly in shock but I'd say absolutely apply again, it's incredible the difference a year can make!
    That's great - it just goes to show that you should never give up after one attempt (maybe even multiple!!).

    If you don't mind me asking, was there a significant difference in your application the second time around (e.g. work experience) or was in your entry exam(s) that improved (or both)? Thanks
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    That's great - it just goes to show that you show never give up after one attempt (maybe even multiple!!).

    If you don't mind me asking, was there a significant different in you application the second time around (e.g. work experience) or was in your entry exam(s) that improved (or both)? Thanks
    I sat the GAMSAT for the first time this cycle so I could apply to all those unis, and I'm awful at the ukcat so applied to 3 GAMSAT unis, and 1 UKCAT uni. Then this year i have been working as a HCA and volunteering at a hospice which i do think helped me at interview in terms of things to talk about, but in terms of actually getting the interviews I wouldn't say had much of a bearing, especially for somewhere like Nottingham. Having said that I do feel like the job has been great prep for life in a healthcare career. Have you applied before?
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    (Original post by gre92)
    I sat the GAMSAT for the first time this cycle so I could apply to all those unis, and I'm awful at the ukcat so applied to 3 GAMSAT unis, and 1 UKCAT uni. Then this year i have been working as a HCA and volunteering at a hospice which i do think helped me at interview in terms of things to talk about, but in terms of actually getting the interviews I wouldn't say had much of a bearing, especially for somewhere like Nottingham. Having said that I do feel like the job has been great prep for life in a healthcare career. Have you applied before?
    Thanks very much for the reply

    Yes, I applied for the 5 year courses in 2008 for 2009 entry and had interviews at Southampton (BM6) and UEA (A100). I was rejected after interview so I naively thought I wasn't good enough at all for Medicine and went and did an Arts degree instead of completing my Access course and trying again or at least doing a science based degree. Now I'm a lot more educated about the competition for Medicine and more assured in my own academic abilities so I'm going to apply this year for GEM.

    Did you find it difficult to get HCA work? There are no openings where I live and I can't seem to even get work as a Domestic in the NHS (might be due to being overqualified or sheer competition for roles - I'm not sure).
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    (Original post by somethingbeautiful)
    Thanks very much for the reply

    Yes, I applied for the 5 year courses in 2008 for 2009 entry and had interviews at Southampton (BM6) and UEA (A100). I was rejected after interview so I naively thought I wasn't good enough at all for Medicine and went and did an Arts degree instead of completing my Access course and trying again or at least doing a science based degree. Now I'm a lot more educated about the competition for Medicine and more assured in my own academic abilities so I'm going to apply this year for GEM.

    Did you find it difficult to get HCA work? There are no openings where I live and I can't seem to even get work as a Domestic in the NHS (might be due to being overqualified or sheer competition for roles - I'm not sure).
    No problem! Yeah I had similar doubts with regards to reapplying, but it's so worth doing! When i was looking there was nothing in my local hospitals so I literally googled for the best nursing home in my area and cold emailed them asking for vacancies. They gave me an interview and said they'd take me so I got really lucky, I absolutely love the job too I'd say have a look at nearby nursing homes and also hospice work, I had a volunteer HCA position at one nearby and it was brilliant, the people who work there are just so sound, as I guess you have to be in that environment. Are you studying or working now?
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    Thanks very much for the reply

    Yes, I applied for the 5 year courses in 2008 for 2009 entry and had interviews at Southampton (BM6) and UEA (A100). I was rejected after interview so I naively thought I wasn't good enough at all for Medicine and went and did an Arts degree instead of completing my Access course and trying again or at least doing a science based degree. Now I'm a lot more educated about the competition for Medicine and more assured in my own academic abilities so I'm going to apply this year for GEM.

    Did you find it difficult to get HCA work? There are no openings where I live and I can't seem to even get work as a Domestic in the NHS (might be due to being overqualified or sheer competition for roles - I'm not sure).
    I have applied three times and have finally got in this time round! And I'm 100% sure that working as a HCA for the last 7 months has made the difference. It's not only given me a greater insight into what doctors do on a daily basis but it's massively improved my communication skills and ability to empathise with patients so it's definitely worth doing.
    For me, I had a look on the NHS jobs website and my local hospital was holding a 'Healthcare Assistant Recruitment Day'. They do these regularly. Essentially you go along and find out more about the job then you have an interview in the afternoon and find out there and then whether they want you or not. Was very easy and they seemed to be impressed with my qualifications and previous experience!

    Where/how have you looked for jobs?
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    (Original post by gre92)
    No problem! Yeah I had similar doubts with regards to reapplying, but it's so worth doing! When i was looking there was nothing in my local hospitals so I literally googled for the best nursing home in my area and cold emailed them asking for vacancies. They gave me an interview and said they'd take me so I got really lucky, I absolutely love the job too I'd say have a look at nearby nursing homes and also hospice work, I had a volunteer HCA position at one nearby and it was brilliant, the people who work there are just so sound, as I guess you have to be in that environment. Are you studying or working now?
    I live in a small village in a rural area and I applied to the local nursing home and haven't heard back - I'll call them tomorrow to check they're considering me. But if they reject my application I might ask if I can do voluntary work if no one else gets back to me because I really need the experience. At the moment I'm volunteering at a hospital and studying for GAMSAT/UKCAT (I graduated a while back). I left my job last Christmas to focus on this pursuit of Medicine but I haven't been able to move from voluntary work to paid work yet which isn't a problem financially but I would rather have a paid job and volunteer at weekends.


    (Original post by Lapin26)
    I have applied three times and have finally got in this time round! And I'm 100% sure that working as a HCA for the last 7 months has made the difference. It's not only given me a greater insight into what doctors do on a daily basis but it's massively improved my communication skills and ability to empathise with patients so it's definitely worth doing.
    For me, I had a look on the NHS jobs website and my local hospital was holding a 'Healthcare Assistant Recruitment Day'. They do these regularly. Essentially you go along and find out more about the job then you have an interview in the afternoon and find out there and then whether they want you or not. Was very easy and they seemed to be impressed with my qualifications and previous experience!

    Where/how have you looked for jobs?
    I check the NHS jobs website each day and I haven't seen a single HCA job in the past 2 months (edit: I've seen one but it is for 'Student Nurses and RTP Only'). I've seen Domestic roles and band 2 Admin roles and applied to those as a means to just get into the local trust - but so far no responses. I've also searched for care roles on 'Indeed' and applied to those (nothing yet) and I look on the local council website where care jobs are also posted. I haven't seen any Healthcare Assistant Recruitment Days - I would definitely go for that if I had the opportunity.

    At the moment, I feel like I'm waiting around for vacancies to come which is really frustrating when I want to be proactive and get experience. On the odd occasion that I see relevant work and apply to it, I hear nothing back.

    Did you leave your degree on your CV when applying for care/HCA jobs? I think my degree is putting employers off but if I leave it off there's a bit of a gap I will have trouble explaining.

    On the plus side I have 2 hospital shadowing experiences lined up for next month but my main concern is long term paid experience to go along with my shadowing and voluntary work.
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    (Original post by somethingbeautiful)
    I live in a small village in a rural area and I applied to the local nursing home and haven't heard back - I'll call them tomorrow to check they're considering me. But if they reject my application I might ask if I can do voluntary work if no one else gets back to me because I really need the experience. At the moment I'm volunteering at a hospital and studying for GAMSAT/UKCAT (I graduated a while back). I left my job last Christmas to focus on this pursuit of Medicine but I haven't been able to move from voluntary work to paid work yet which isn't a problem financially but I would rather have a paid job and volunteer at weekends. I check the NHS jobs website each day and I haven't seen a single HCA job in the past 2 months (edit: I've seen one but it is for 'Student Nurses and RTP Only'). I've seen Domestic roles and band 2 Admin roles and applied to those as a means to just get into the local trust - but so far no responses. I've also searched for care roles on 'Indeed' and applied to those (nothing yet) and I look on the local council website where care jobs are also posted. I haven't seen any Healthcare Assistant Recruitment Days - I would definitely go for that if I had the opportunity.At the moment, I feel like I'm waiting around for vacancies to come which is really frustrating when I want to be proactive and get experience. On the odd occasion that I see relevant work and apply to it, I hear nothing back. Did you leave your degree on your CV when applying for care/HCA jobs? I think my degree is putting employers off but if I leave it off there's a bit of a gap I will have trouble explaining. On the plus side I have 2 hospital shadowing experiences lined up for next month but my main concern is long term paid experience to go along with my shadowing and voluntary work.
    have you tried NHS Professionals?... I got one of my posts through here, although haven't actually worked any shifts for them as work at two other hospitals.

    http://www.nhsprofessionals.nhs.uk/f...t-Workers.aspx

    dont know if that will help. I am a member of NHSP and I'm going to see if I can transfer when I move. I see you are checking NHS jobs, but also check individual trust pages for recruitment days as some hospitals have their own bank. If you don't mind saying, tell me your local area/hospital and I'll have a look up for details if you like.
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