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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Ok. So name a news outlet then.
    Just heard Vesti say it and show evidence online. I heard it somewhere else also.
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    (Original post by AlexKay99)
    Just heard Vesti say it and show evidence online. I heard it somewhere else also.
    Is it because Vesti is in cyrillic so I can't read it?
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    (Original post by AlexKay99)
    Just heard Vesti say it and show evidence online. I heard it somewhere else also.
    It's hardly surprising, RT have been fabricating stuff nonstop since the incident, so I can't imagine Vesti are any more reliable.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Is it because Vesti is in cyrillic so I can't read it?
    Yes its in Cyrillic. Sorry.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's hardly surprising, RT have been fabricating stuff nonstop since the incident, so I can't imagine Vesti are any more reliable.
    As if the BBC and CNN are more reliable, they don't report half of whats going on. Far too selective. All of Ukraine's media is also flawed.
    The fact is they didn't make it up themselves, they provided internet evidence of a programmer who used a computer program to determine the date the call was made.
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    I just wanted to say, there is no point in arguing who did it because we'll find out sooner or later. One thing we can all agree with is that it has been a shocking and awful crime and that we have to pray for the families of the deceased.

    RIP </3
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's hardly surprising, RT have been fabricating stuff nonstop since the incident, so I can't imagine Vesti are any more reliable.
    You really do come at this with a bias don't you?
    BBC and CNN are also very unreliable, hate to break it to you.
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    (Original post by AlexKay99)
    Yes its in Cyrillic. Sorry.
    Can you link me to the vesti article? Thanks
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    What's the Al Jazeera stance?
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Can you link me to the vesti article? Thanks
    I'll try and find it for you, it might take a while, I just had the news on and I saw it from there.
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    (Original post by AlexKay99)
    As if the BBC and CNN are more reliable, they don't report half of whats going on. Far too selective. All of Ukraine's media is also flawed.
    The fact is they didn't make it up themselves, they provided internet evidence of a programmer who used a computer program to determine the date the call was made.
    Don't fall for it. They just use tame stooges in multiple countries who purport to be 'experts' but when you check them out are either deluded members of the far left who stupidly think that Russia in some way still sides with their cause, or else are useful idiots.

    I saw a classic case this morning on RT. They interviewed a guy from Britain who they labelled an 'aviation expert' who claimed that the debris pattern of the disaster indicated a missile fired from outside the zone controlled by the separatists. I looked this guy up and it turns out he has no real background in aviation and really isn't anything relevant, he's just a college lecturer in chemistry at a low-tier university with lots of socialist opinions.

    Contrast with the BBC and CNN who have been speaking to leading experts in the field all day.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    What's the Al Jazeera stance?
    They seem to be trying to be objective, but are reporting that the preponderance of the evidence points to Russian separatists.
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    People believing the Russian media in relation to this massacre would be interested to look at a detailed analysis of their reportage of a previous Ukraine incident on stopfake.org - lies, lies and more lies basically.
    http://www.stopfake.org/en/analysis-...ear-volnovaha/
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    Maybe this is propaganda against Russia, there has been a lot recently in the news trying to tells us the way we should think of Russia and this certainly reinforces it. Don't you think?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Don't fall for it. They just use tame stooges in multiple countries who purport to be 'experts' but when you check them out are either deluded members of the far left who stupidly think that Russia in some way still sides with their cause, or else are useful idiots.

    I saw a classic case this morning on RT. They interviewed a guy from Britain who they labelled an 'aviation expert' who claimed that the debris pattern of the disaster indicated a missile fired from outside the zone controlled by the separatists. I looked this guy up and it turns out he has no real background in aviation and really isn't anything relevant, he's just a college lecturer in chemistry at a low-tier university with lots of socialist opinions.

    Contrast with the BBC and CNN who have been speaking to leading experts in the field all day.
    Dude you need to chill out. We get that you hate Russia.


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    http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/


    Russia today claiming that the missile was intended to hit Putin's plane
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    Fullofsurprises can you actually answer a question i ask you instead of just dodging it and stating that CNN and BBC are objective. What you are doing is biased and doesn't lead to a healthy debate.
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    (Original post by DavidSilvaMCFC)
    http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/


    Russia today claiming that the missile was intended to hit Putin's plane
    Actually, if you read further down the article, it states that Putins plane has to flown across Ukraine in a while.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Don't fall for it. They just use tame stooges in multiple countries who purport to be 'experts' but when you check them out are either deluded members of the far left who stupidly think that Russia in some way still sides with their cause, or else are useful idiots.

    I saw a classic case this morning on RT. They interviewed a guy from Britain who they labelled an 'aviation expert' who claimed that the debris pattern of the disaster indicated a missile fired from outside the zone controlled by the separatists. I looked this guy up and it turns out he has no real background in aviation and really isn't anything relevant, he's just a college lecturer in chemistry at a low-tier university with lots of socialist opinions.

    Contrast with the BBC and CNN who have been speaking to leading experts in the field all day.
    Interesting. I still don't think BBC and CNN are fair even though they use, trusted experts as you state, I notice that they are continually one-sided and don't even bother to disclose the other side.
    In some cases they use psychological methods to mislead people, for example they would say 'Petro Poroshenko said the separatists did it' and after sometime of speaking they add 'the separatists deny it'. This is known as 'bad' reporting but for such credible outlets such as BBC & CNN they clearly know what they are doing.
    At first they declare 'Petro Poroshenko said the separatists did it' with an authoritive and convincing tone, almost as if they are saying it as a fact 'the seperatists did it', then after a while they merely mention the other side 'denying' it. Why don't they just state 'both the pro-ukrainian and pro-russian sides deny involvement and blame each other'. That would be more concise, accurate and less misleading & one sided.

    This is just what I have been noticing, I study psychology and language like diction/syntax so I like to think I know a thing or two about these techniques. Its not quite false journalism but its a more complex form of it in my opinion.
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    (Original post by DavidSilvaMCFC)
    http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/


    Russia today claiming that the missile was intended to hit Putin's plane
    what do you think? could it be possible?
 
 
 
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