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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
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    Lol "TSR Shiekhs".

    No I meant generally when you wouldn't tag me you don't have to write out my full username but if that's what you prefer fine by me.
    Well, if you're going to discuss these matters, then you can't be too squeamish/prudish.

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    It seems accurate enough, given the behaviour of the people I'm referring to.

    Well, you know us kuffar; we don't like to admit that the righteous and the faithful can be champs. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, if you're going to discuss these matters, then you can't be too squeamish/prudish.
    Guys, I'm going to have to ask you to keep it clean. I know the discussion kind of went this way, and I'm not saying you have discussed anything too much, but we don't discuss specifics of sex and sex acts on TSR in accordance with the rules, so let's steer away from mentioning it more than in broad terms in the future.
    Cheers.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    I should have clarified what I meant by "sodomy". Isn't anal sex forbidden between a couple according to the hadith (something like don't have sex via the "back passage"? I understand the rest (I've read the same from The Epicurean who uses the same logic regarding Lut etc.) but my question is, if a man and man can marry, how would they have sex if anal is forbidden?
    thanks for your clarification. when you study all the Hadith texts on anal intercourse there are 4 texts which prohibit anal intercourse, but their authenticity has been severely criticised. Then there are other texts that seem to refute the understanding that a consensus opinion against anal intercourse could be reached based on textual evidence. And then there are texts on Permissbility of anal intercourse -The Ibn ʿUmar texts.

    That's right, it often surprises Muslims of what the Hadith actually say regarding anal intercourse.
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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    I know it is already legal in the UK but I was wondering what people thought about the issue.
    Why support? it is just an ordinary marriage between two men.

    (Original post by BristolFresher15)
    I think it makes no sense to be against it.
    Think so too. Furthermore it is not my concern when men are married.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    we don't discuss specifics of sex and sex acts on TSR in accordance with the rules
    Cheers.
    Relax. TSR will get its advertiser's revenue either way.
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    Think so too. Furthermore it is not my concern when men are married.
    Agreed. It has never had an effect on my life, so I don't care whether it happens or not.
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    (Original post by BristolFresher15)
    Agreed. It has never had an effect on my life, so I don't care whether it happens or not.
    Right. And even if it is one of my relatives, maye one of my closest one (say the brother), I have to respect this attitude to a relationship and I really do that.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Sexual acts are still sex. As mentioned, lesbians can't have natural penetrative sex and it would be absurd to say that a practising lesbian couple who had never wanted to use toys such as dildos had never had sex.
    You've never watched "Lesbian Fist Fury"?
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    (Original post by Jhansen23)
    thanks for your clarification. when you study all the Hadith texts on anal intercourse there are 4 texts which prohibit anal intercourse, but their authenticity has been severely criticised. Then there are other texts that seem to refute the understanding that a consensus opinion against anal intercourse could be reached based on textual evidence. And then there are texts on Permissbility of anal intercourse -The Ibn ʿUmar texts.

    That's right, it often surprises Muslims of what the Hadith actually say regarding anal intercourse.
    Oh right. I'm aware that even Sahih Bukhari isn't always taken at face value, is this the same case with these hadith in Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud? Can you post the other texts which refute this prohibition too?

    Thanks
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    Just to re-iterate the point that the forum for discussing specific aspects of religious ideology is not this one. We are talking about civil marriage not marriage blessed or endorsed by any religious body.

    What any religion says or believes regarding homosexuality or marriage between same sex couple is 100% irrelevant to any secular mater.

    Nobody will any sense of rationality is going to say that a religious organisation should be forced to conduct gay marriage and I will defend the right of religious groups to stick to their principles as long as they do not try to interfere with the running of our national society under secular terms.

    Gay marriage is here, it allows for full equality in our secular society and anyone arguing that it should not be permitted in a secular setting doesn't have any substantive argument to bak up his/her position.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    You've never watched "Lesbian Fist Fury"?
    And you have watched that? :lolwut:

    (Original post by Cooliomed)
    Nobody will any sense of rationality is going to say that a religious organisation should be forced to conduct gay marriage and I will defend the right of religious groups to stick to their principles as long as they do not try to interfere with the running of our national society under secular terms.
    And do you defend the right of certain businesses to 'stick to their principles' and not provide services to certain ethnic or religious groups? This has always struck me as the most ludicrous part of the same-sex marriage argument: the apparent willingness of those on the same side as me to just create an exemption to anti-discrimination law for religious institutions for no other reason than 'because they shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want.'
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    Don't think there's no "issue" with Gay marriages. I support it ofc!
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    In my mind there are two questions: 1) Do I think same sex couples have the legal right to get married? Yes and 2) Do I think a same sex marriage is legitimately a marriage? No I don't,
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    To people who are against gay marriage: how does that affect your daily lives? How would you feel if it was the other way round and heterosexual marriages were not allowed?
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    (Original post by limetang)
    In my mind there are two questions: 1) Do I think same sex couples have the legal right to get married? Yes and 2) Do I think a same sex marriage is legitimately a marriage? No I don't,
    On what basis?
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    (Original post by Grand High Witch)
    On what basis?
    Why does that matter? I won't get in the way of same-sex couples that wish to marry. I will just hold my private view that same-sex marriage is not marriage.
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    (Original post by Grand High Witch)
    On what basis?
    Because he (limetang) still thinks marriage is a religious institution.
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    Things like civil unions and even adoption? Yes. Homosexual couples should have the same rights as straight couples to pursue essentially the same legal contracts (in the eyes of the state, but not necessarily the eyes of the Church) and raise families in a household.

    However, I'm very much a traditionalist when it comes to calling it marriage. I think there is a slight air of naivety and even arrogance in suddenly redefining the long-standing cultural tradition that is marriage, which exists between a man and a woman. Same-sex marriages, to me, just don't feel legitimate. Call them marriages all you want, but they ain't.

    Nevertheless, if a religious institution will perform the ceremony, let them. At the same time, however, the state shouldn't force them to marry people.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    What does your religion have to do with someone else's secular marriage? OR someone else's religious marriage if they have a different religion?
    It's basically banned in all religions ?


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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    And you have watched that? :lolwut:



    And do you defend the right of certain businesses to 'stick to their principles' and not provide services to certain ethnic or religious groups? This has always struck me as the most ludicrous part of the same-sex marriage argument: the apparent willingness of those on the same slide as me to just create an exemption to anti-discrimination law for religious institutions for no other reason than 'because they shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want.'
    What's the problem, it seems outrageous to some but if it's your property , I don't seem to understand the issue


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