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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    It does mostly seem to be FoS who is trying to make that connection.

    I have seen some people talk about how this can be linked to the Leave campaign, though, and how that may make them think differently about the referendum, whereas to me allowing your opinion to be swayed either way by the deranged actions of this lone gunman would be mad in itself.

    I broadly agree re the increasing aggressiveness on both extremes. It has become trite to comment on the rise of Trump and Sanders and Corbyn and such like recently. It could be that this is what drove this man to murder Jo Cox, but given that this shooting is still, thankfully, an anomaly, i wouldn't want to try to extrapolate too much from it.
    I agree but it is still a very dark day.
    I feel that both extremes have tried to whip up hate for all politicians. Its fine to question someone's opinions but increasingly the extremes are seeing all politicians as these greedy, elitist, horrible folk trying to ruin the country etc.

    It's what encourages people to make rape and death threats, it's what encourages Trump supporters to violently lash out at politicial opponents, it's what encourages violence at political protests.

    I won't blame UKIP for this attack at all, but I would argue that they, along with the far left encourage people to view politicians as inherently evil and awful people, which in my view contributes to this culture of aggression, if not this attack.

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...jo-cox-8213363
    His half-brother is mixed race and claims he wasn't racist or had any extreme views about Britain.

    Although neighbours do claim he was a weirdo and had OCD.
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    And again, the questions remains, how can a man labelled as a 'weirdo' get his hands on a gun.
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    Bad day for leave campaign today to what had the potential to be another rocket with 2 new phone polls giving leave the lead :'(
    Although Nigel's new poster has elements of truth to it i feel it seems a very ugly message to the potential don't knows and other people who support remain. I believe that he could have got out the message in a more tasteful and professional manner which would have been a good reinforcement to the powerful last week. Combine this with the killing of Jo Cox, i have a feeling much of the general public will look unfavourably on the leave campaign. I hope that we don't look upon this day in a weeks time and think this is where it fell apart...
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    Update — Suspected killer may have had “mental health problems”, in receipt of “psychotherapy and medication”

    The suspected killer of MP Jo Cox has been named locally as Thomas Mair, who has featured in a number of local news reports in recent years as a mentally ill man who claimed to be benefitting from local voluntary opportunities.

    An archived 2010 article about a country park which welcomed Mr. Mair from the Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems to volunteer in building a “faith garden” reported Mr. Mair as saying: “I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world.“Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common mainly caused by long-term unemployment.“All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work.“Getting out of the house and meeting new people is a good thing, but more important in my view is doing physically demanding and useful labour.“When you have finished there is a feeling of achievement which is emotionally rewarding and psychologically fulfilling.“For people for whom full-time, paid employment is not possible for a variety of reasons, voluntary work offers a socially positive and therapeutic alternative.”
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    (Original post by Hachik0)
    Update — Suspected killer may have had “mental health problems”, in receipt of “psychotherapy and medication”

    The suspected killer of MP Jo Cox has been named locally as Thomas Mair, who has featured in a number of local news reports in recent years as a mentally ill man who claimed to be benefitting from local voluntary opportunities.

    An archived 2010 article about a country park which welcomed Mr. Mair from the Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems to volunteer in building a “faith garden” reported Mr. Mair as saying: “I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world.“Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common mainly caused by long-term unemployment.“All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work.“Getting out of the house and meeting new people is a good thing, but more important in my view is doing physically demanding and useful labour.“When you have finished there is a feeling of achievement which is emotionally rewarding and psychologically fulfilling.“For people for whom full-time, paid employment is not possible for a variety of reasons, voluntary work offers a socially positive and therapeutic alternative.”
    His brother said he had OCD. So, not exactly a mental illness that would cause you to be a killer.
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    (Original post by Hachik0)
    And again, the questions remains, how can a man labelled as a 'weirdo' get his hands on a gun.
    Actually, not that hard to get hold of a gun in this country if you go through the licencing procedures. Oddly enough...."weirdo" isn't an exclusionary criteria.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Actually, not that hard to get hold of a gun in this country if you go through the licencing procedures. Oddly enough...."weirdo" isn't an exclusionary criteria.
    He used a pistol I believe, which you can't get hold of, apparently it didn't look like a proper gun. Probably home made, I mean it's do able if you're an engineer or know a lot about that sort of stuff
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    His brother said he had OCD. So, not exactly a mental illness that would cause you to be a killer.
    The Mail is saying he was recently released from "psychiatric care". Yes it's the Mail, but still...

    So I don't think he "just" had OCD.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Actually, not that hard to get hold of a gun in this country if you go through the licencing procedures. Oddly enough...."weirdo" isn't an exclusionary criteria.
    apparently it was home made
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    (Original post by Grand High Witch)
    The Mail is saying he was recently released from "psychiatric care". Yes it's the Mail, but still...

    So I don't think he "just" had OCD.
    Well, it is unconfirmed. Psychiatric care could mean a whole range of things from outpatient follow-up to being sectioned.

    The reality is that no one knows who this guy is because was a loner.
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    (Original post by ftw93)
    apparently it was home made
    Well, Daily Mail is saying a Sawn off shotgun.

    Tbh, it is pretty hard to make a gun at home unless you have certain equipment.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, Daily Mail is saying a Sawn off shotgun.

    Tbh, it is pretty hard to make a gun at home unless you have certain equipment.
    Really isn't, you can make one out of a couple of metal pipes and a nail.

    The one used in this killing is a pretty rough one, homemade. Documents for making it found to be ordered by the killer.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Really isn't, you can make one out of a couple of metal pipes and a nail.

    The one used in this killing is a pretty rough one, homemade. Documents for making it found to be ordered by the killer.
    Ok. Well, that pretty much confirms he was a Right wing nutcase or at least a history of supporting it.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ional-alliance

    Instructions on how to build a gun, with receipts from a Far Right Neo Nazi organisation.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Ok. Well, that pretty much confirms he was a Right wing nutcase or at least a history of supporting it.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ional-alliance

    Instructions on how to build a gun, with receipts from a Far Right Neo Nazi organisation.
    >hatewatch
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Ok. Well, that pretty much confirms he was a Right wing nutcase or at least a history of supporting it.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ional-alliance

    Instructions on how to build a gun, with receipts from a Far Right Neo Nazi organisation.
    Guy was a nutter.

    Though deeply unfortunate Mrs Cox's death is, it still has no wider implications on the EU referendum. It hasn't excused any of the things the EU does. Hopefully we can move past this and strive for the democracy she died for.
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    (Original post by EuanF)

    Though deeply unfortunate Mrs Cox's death is, it still has no wider implications on the EU referendum. It hasn't excused any of the things the EU does. Hopefully we can move past this and strive for the democracy she died for.
    You may say it shouldn't, but I am afraid it does in the same way that it would if it had been committed by an illegal Syrian immigrant.

    We have been extremely lucky in the UK that attacks such as this have been virtually non-existent. People will question, are questioning, whether the campaign tactics of UKIP in particular, not just in this referendum campaign, have encouraged dark forces that have been well buried in this country.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    You may say it shouldn't, but I am afraid it does in the same way that it would if it had been committed by an illegal Syrian immigrant.

    We have been extremely lucky in the UK that attacks such as this have been virtually non-existent. People will question, are questioning, whether the campaign tactics of UKIP in particular, not just in this referendum campaign, have encouraged dark forces that have been well buried in this country.
    I think perhaps you really should explain how UKIP's campaigning is at all responsible for a nutcase murdering an MP
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    I think perhaps you really should explain how UKIP's campaigning is at all responsible for a nutcase murdering an MP
    Mainstream politicians have, at least since Powell's Rivers of Blood speech, been extremely coy about discussing race, immigration and cultural change. Mainstream politicians have made it clear that this has been to avoid stirring up racial hatred and hatred against immigrants. Farage has called for a more open debate on these issues and has proceeded to address these issues and has used emotive language in doing so. He has bridged the gap between the political far right, long seen as beyond the pale of political discourse and mainstream politicians.

    So mainstream politicians have said don't poke the bear or it will attack. Farage has said that it is his right to poke the bear and it is desirable to poke the bear. He has poked the bear and the bear has attacked.

    It will be a test of Farage's politically ability how he handles this. Pontius Pilate's answer will probably not be good enough for those who are not his committed fans.
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    Omg lol stop blaming right wing political parties none of them would incite murded.

    Nearly everyone supports a political party, so every time a murder happens would you blame the party they support? No...
 
 
 
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