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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The Tories are left of centre, if they tried being actually right wing they'd be crucified by the electorate.
    I'll have some of what you're smoking please.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The Tories are left of centre, if they tried being actually right wing they'd be crucified by the electorate.
    :toofunny: and this is why we do not drunk post.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I'll have some of what you're smoking please.
    Since Attlee we've become socialist, less so since Thatcher but even she couldn't touch the NHS for example. If any political party held policy on getting rid of the NHS or even significant amounts of outsourcing they wouldn't ever dream of getting into power. We may not be the most compassionate nation, but we're definitely left wing to an extent. Even those old people who consider themselves to be right wing will bang on about the 50s and 60 with nostalgia forgetting how left wing we actually were back then. The Tory party of the 50s and 60s, a small part of the 70s too was more left wing than Blair's Labour xD
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    (Original post by Aph)
    :toofunny: and this is why we do not drunk post.
    I'll take no lectures from you, someone who thinks the centre is somewhere between social democracy and communism
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Since Attlee we've become socialist, less so since Thatcher but even she couldn't touch the NHS for example. If any political party held policy on getting rid of the NHS or even significant amounts of outsourcing they wouldn't ever dream of getting into power. We may not be the most compassionate nation, but we're definitely left wing to an extent. Even those old people who consider themselves to be right wing will bang on about the 50s and 60 with nostalgia forgetting how left wing we actually were back then. The Tory party of the 50s and 60s, a small part of the 70s too was more left wing than Blair's Labour xD
    but the right could argue that the NHS benefits the richest in society. By keeping the nation healthy they keep the workers working making money for the rich. They also help to identify diseases sooner which help the rich. Basically the rich would be worse off without the NHS so I would say it is a fundamentally centralist policy.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    but the right could argue that the NHS benefits the richest in society. By keeping the nation healthy they keep the workers working making money for the rich. They also help to identify diseases sooner which help the rich. Basically the rich would be worse off without the NHS so I would say it is a fundamentally centralist policy.
    What? Left vs. right isn't determined by benefits to the rich.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The Tories are left of centre, if they tried being actually right wing they'd be crucified by the electorate.
    Good evening Mr. Farage.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    What? Left vs. right isn't determined by benefits to the rich.
    Then what is it determined by? Essentially there is no way that the NHS is a purely left wing ideal, it can be argued for from any angle, and that's Because it is a fundamentally good idea.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The Tories are left of centre, if they tried being actually right wing they'd be crucified by the electorate.
    You sure? they win based on being masters of deception- they are hard right they cut public spending and welfare which help the very poorest and cut taxes for the very richest so they can increase their monopolies.
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    Good evening Mr. Farage.
    I'm being serious. Even Farage had to U-turn on a bunch of policy in order to steal votes from Labour.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I'm being serious. Even Farage had to U-turn on a bunch of policy in order to steal votes from Labour.
    The right wing are deceptive promise breakers
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    (Original post by Aph)
    but the right could argue that the NHS benefits the richest in society. By keeping the nation healthy they keep the workers working making money for the rich. They also help to identify diseases sooner which help the rich. Basically the rich would be worse off without the NHS so I would say it is a fundamentally centralist policy.
    I would just love to hear a David Cameron speech where he argues that he only supports the NHS to keep workers working for the benefit of the rich.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Then what is it determined by? Essentially there is no way that the NHS is a purely left wing ideal, it can be argued for from any angle, and that's Because it is a fundamentally good idea.
    It's still left wing though irrelevant on whether or not it's supported by the "right".

    The left is oft associated with state intervention in the economy, the right otherwise. The left is oft associated with cohesion, the right individualism.

    (Original post by BigItch)
    You sure? they win based on being masters of deception- they are hard right they cut public spending and welfare which help the very poorest and cut taxes for the very richest so they can increase their monopolies.
    Yet we still have a welfare state, social housing, a lot of regulation in business, a universal healthcare system.
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    You've elected Corbyn. Your party is dead.

    Let all intelligent people rejoice.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I would just love to hear a David Cameron speech where he argues that he only supports the NHS to keep workers working for the benefit of the rich.
    I'm sure Rakas would happily give one if you wanted
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    I would just love to hear a David Cameron speech where he argues that he only supports the NHS to keep workers working for the benefit of the rich.
    People give Dave a really hard time, it's a shame really, he's as liberal as you'll get from a Tory. As a kid, watching him on the telly I was really in awe, made Tony look like a right nob most of the time.
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    James Milibanter No offence but you're talking some rubbish here. The Conservatives are generally right wing economically although they make some exceptions on things which they can't touch. They are admitadely more centrist to centre-left (in terms of party policy they have some fairly right wing members socially.) socially with things like gay marriage.
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    (Original post by The Dictator)
    You've elected Corbyn. Your party is dead.

    Let all intelligent people rejoice.
    When he becomes PM I'll have a drink for you.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    It's still left wing though irrelevant on whether or not it's supported by the "right".

    The left is oft associated with state intervention in the economy, the right otherwise. The left is oft associated with cohesion, the right individualism.



    Yet we still have a welfare state, social housing, a lot of regulation in business, a universal healthcare system.
    With major cuts, they know they would get a massive backlash. People are not that easily manipulated but easy enough to believe the right wing deception .
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    It's still left wing though irrelevant on whether or not it's supported by the "right".

    The left is oft associated with state intervention in the economy, the right otherwise. The left is oft associated with cohesion, the right individualism..
    So it is left because you have declared it is? Sorry I didn't get the memo that you were supreme dictator or which political branches can have which policies.

    And the NHS is none of those.
 
 
 
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