Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:

    This is the parties positions over time
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by Aph)
    Also anyone with power realises that they need some sort of social cohesion to keep power. So an idea can be run for individuals but at the same time keep social cohesion.
    This isn't true, much more power can be gained through pinning people against each other than encouraging organisation.
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by BigItch)

    This is the parties positions over time
    I never like these things.
    • Political Ambassador
    Online

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    My centre point would probably be where Hilary's Democrats sit in the USA, just right of the Tories over here.
    So you're basing your centre point on what exactly? It sounds like your placing it somewhere that probably doesn't fit for any country since you're putting it well on the left of the most capitalist countries in the world, and the far right of the rest of the world. It's not like that 1 nation is big enough by any measure to be able to place it as the global centre.
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The NHS isn't right wing though, stop arguing that it is. If a "right wing" party keeps it then they either aren't very right wing or want to be elected.
    I'm not saying it is right wing, I am saying it is universal. You have yet to debate my points, just said 'stop saying that' as if you are a little child who doesn't want to hear the truth.
    • Political Ambassador
    Online

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I never like these things.
    Is that because their largely arbitrary, as far as we know, centre is miles away from yours?
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    Its quite accurate though us and the Americans have the most right wing politics world wide

    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I never like these things.
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by RayApparently)
    'Universally good' and 'left-wing' are not mutually exclusive and it is ridiculous to see a socialist/Green/whatever you are suggest so.
    No, the latter is a sub-group of the former. I am saying the NHS, or some form of it, makes sense in any political stance.
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    This isn't true, much more power can be gained through pinning people against each other than encouraging organisation.
    But with that comes the risk of being overthrown. Keep the polariat calm and peaceful, nice and docile and hard working and you do better for yourself.
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by Aph)
    No, the latter is a sub-group of the former. I am saying the NHS, or some form of it, makes sense in any political stance.
    That doesn't stop it being inherently left wing
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you're basing your centre point on what exactly? It sounds like your placing it somewhere that probably doesn't fit for any country since you're putting it well on the left of the most capitalist countries in the world, and the far right of the rest of the world. It's not like that 1 nation is big enough by any measure to be able to place it as the global centre.
    Hold on here, because social democracy is centre left, and yet our political landscape is dominated by it.

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Is that because their largely arbitrary, as far as we know, centre is miles away from yours?
    I just can't for the life of me see how the Tories are right wing. To paraphrase Peter Hitchens "they should call themselves the socialist workers party"
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    That doesn't stop it being inherently left wing
    But it's not. And you haven't proven that it is.
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by Aph)
    But with that comes the risk of being overthrown. Keep the polariat calm and peaceful, nice and docile and hard working and you do better for yourself.
    Of course you'd be an expert :rollseyes:
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Political Ambassador
    (Original post by Aph)
    But it's not. And you haven't proven that it is.
    It's run by the state and funded by everyone through taxation. It's left wing
    • Wiki Support Team
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    Wiki Support Team
    (Original post by Aph)
    No, the latter is a sub-group of the former. I am saying the NHS, or some form of it, makes sense in any political stance.
    Not in anarcho-capitalism. Also 'some form of it' is an absolute cop-out.

    Nationalised health is not a universal in modern societies - it is a left-wing idea that has become part of the modern British consensus.
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    It's run by the state and funded by everyone through taxation. It's left wing
    So is the army, but the left oppose the use of military force generally. So is MI5/6 & GCHQ but they are all right wing... Heck!! Even the queen fits the category but she is as right wing as they come.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I just can't for the life of me see how the Tories are right wing. To paraphrase Peter Hitchens "they should call themselves the socialist workers party"
    Peter Hitchens calling something left wing is not a good argument.
    • Wiki Support Team
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    Wiki Support Team
    (Original post by Aph)
    So is the army, but the left oppose the use of military force generally. So is MI5/6 & GCHQ but they are all right wing... Heck!! Even the queen fits the category but she is as right wing as they come.
    There is no overlap between being economically left-wing and militarism.
    You are talking complete nonsense.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    James Milibanter just a question. If the tories are left wing now what were they under Harold Macmillan?
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    22
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Not in anarcho-capitalism. Also 'some form of it' is an absolute cop-out.

    Nationalised health is not a universal in modern societies - it is a left-wing idea that has become part of the modern British consensus.
    The point of 'some form of it' was admitting that the NHS isn't perfect.

    And it is in western society, even the USA has Obama care
 
 
 
Reply
Submit reply
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Updated: December 8, 2017
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Would you like to hibernate through the winter months?
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.