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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Pretty sure when suarez first came to the league he was basically hazard(as in great at everything other than finishing) and ****ed you over in multiple matches e.g. arsenal 2-1 loss in 11/12.
    No he wasn't. That is the point. Even in the example, Arsenal, big game, perception not reality.

    Hazard is another myth. He's not a bad finisher, he finishes at the expected rate, he's not clinical and he's not bad. Hazard's improvement, 2015 dip and recovery are creation numbers not finishing numbers.

    Don't you mean wc14 too for higuain?
    I remember him getting flack in 2010 when Messi fed him a number of chances and he didn't finish them. 2014 possibly too but I was on holiday so I missed most of the coverage.

    Also I think an issue is him is big games. although he was never first choice under mourinho and has been at weak clubs since. maybe he could break that duck at juve and change perceptions(like zlatan did after moving to milan) but until then he's going to keep the bottler tag. unless he moves to england.
    Again as I said the bottler tag comes from big games. Big games are tiny sample sizes from which large conclusions are made, even managers do that. What I'm saying is over the much larger sample size of his entire career, he's a bottler who finishes chances at better rates than most elite players who aren't bottlers.

    The mental side of performing in big game is possibly a thing, I dunno how you would look into that. But there are so few big games its hard to say without observation bias. How do you assess how big is a big game, and how good that missed or scored chance was and in a fashion you can rate players side by side? So get any sample size you'd be comparing player 3-4 years apart.
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    Who do you guys want to replace Mourinho when he gets sacked at the end of the season?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Who do you guys want to replace Mourinho when he gets sacked at the end of the season?
    Think Pochettino, Emery and Koeman are the most promising managers out there.

    Think Klopp would be a good fit aswell tbh.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Who do you guys want to replace Mourinho when he gets sacked at the end of the season?
    I'd have gone for Pep Guardiola, at least he brought a Barca style of play

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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Who do you guys want to replace Mourinho when he gets sacked at the end of the season?
    I highly doubt he'll get sacked after one season. It would be more embarrassing to sack him than it would to not sack him.

    Tuchel would possibly be a fashionable choice, but someone like Schmidt could work well in the PL. United fans have had a possession manager, and a more defensive coach. Poor management by the higher ups though, considering LVG laid the foundation of a good high pressing game at United. It was the transition from the press to the attack that distinguished his style from that of Poch or Klopp.
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    (Original post by swirly)
    Think Pochettino, Emery and Koeman are the most promising managers out there.

    Think Klopp would be a good fit aswell tbh.
    Emery just signed for PSG in the summer so you might struggle to get him so soon. I'm not sure Koeman has done a good enough job at Everton to merit a step up yet? Don't forget what happened last time you appointed a manager from Everton..

    Poch is a very good shout - English clubs are very risk averse and so prefer to pay over the odds than take a risk and so Poch would probably be seen as the lowest risk. Maybe you could entice a couple of Spurs players to come with him too? Spurs tend to pay lower wages as it is.

    (Original post by sr90)
    I'd have gone for Pep Guardiola, at least he brought a Barca style of play

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    You mean last summer? I was talking about going forwards. No chance of Pep coming to Man Utd now since he'll have a history with Man City.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    I highly doubt he'll get sacked after one season. It would be more embarrassing to sack him than it would to not sack him.

    Tuchel would possibly be a fashionable choice, but someone like Schmidt could work well in the PL. United fans have had a possession manager, and a more defensive coach. Poor management by the higher ups though, considering LVG laid the foundation of a good high pressing game at United. It was the transition from the press to the attack that distinguished his style from that of Poch or Klopp.
    I think the lack of alternatives may mean he stays. That said, the club may be worried about how Mourinho plays out in the press and him attacking players so publicly.

    If Man Utd finished 5-7th, I think he'd keep his job but if Mourinho led you to finish 9-10th, do you think he could keep his job?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    I think the lack of alternatives may mean he stays. That said, the club may be worried about how Mourinho plays out in the press and him attacking players so publicly.

    If Man Utd finished 5-7th, I think he'd keep his job but if Mourinho led you to finish 9-10th, do you think he could keep his job?
    Depends. We don't really have any key stars he's pissing off, and I don't think his media antics are affecting the club like they were at Real by the end of his time. I do think he'll hack the team apart though, his public criticisms of player aren't going to stop until the results come.

    I don't think it will. The red line used to be the CL but that has changed I think. If he misses top 4 it's not easy as brining in another manager and getting top 4. Europa is basically worthless so it's a case of how do you get back in the CL. I would think the main thing would be alternative availability.




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    Why do people keep ignoring Giggs in managerial discussions? Everyone knows that destiny is more reliable than logic.
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    Why do people keep ignoring Giggs in managerial discussions? Everyone knows that destiny is more reliable than logic.
    Plz rank the following prophecies:

    1. Giggs as manager
    2. Jones and Smalling at the heart of our defence for a decade
    3. Macheda
    4. Martial the new Henry
    5. Rashford the new Martial
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    Plz rank the following prophecies:

    1. Giggs as manager
    2. Jones and Smalling at the heart of our defence for a decade
    3. Macheda
    4. Martial the new Henry
    5. Rashford the new Martial
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    2/5

    2 and 5 are false prophecies. Jones yeah but his partner is open to change. Rashford will be better than Martial/Henry. 3 has already been fulfilled.
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
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    2/5

    2 and 5 are false prophecies. Jones yeah but his partner is open to change. Rashford will be better than Martial/Henry. 3 has already been fulfilled.
    Your lack of faith in Chris Smalling is disappointing.

    Strong answer otherwise.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    I think the lack of alternatives may mean he stays. That said, the club may be worried about how Mourinho plays out in the press and him attacking players so publicly.

    If Man Utd finished 5-7th, I think he'd keep his job but if Mourinho led you to finish 9-10th, do you think he could keep his job?
    Worry about your own team mate.
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    Even if Mourinho failed to get United top four, I don't think Woodward will sack him despite that being the barometer of judgement they used for Moyes and Van Gaal. Unless United finish 7th or lower and the Mourinho implosion has been fast-forwarded two years early (some signs seem to be there already yet at this stage it seems he's trying to change their mentality yet to what long-term cost?)

    There aren't going to be options available next summer anyway so that will be in their thinking.

    Mourinho's "confrontational leadership" philosophy should be an aspect of that rather than the main element. And you have to know who will respond to it better. Someone like Zlatan, yes. Smalling or Shaw, not so much. But he will continue to do it to try and get results. You just hope it doesn't go the other way too quick and too deep.

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    Too many *****es in the squad. Need to man up.
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    (Original post by Rk2k14)
    Too many *****es in the squad. Need to man up.
    Strong this, where are all the Gary Nevilles and Roy Keanes, even Scholes was deceiving in that he might seem quiet and innocent but was a real ****
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    Plz rank the following prophecies:

    1. Giggs as manager
    2. Jones and Smalling at the heart of our defence for a decade
    3. Macheda
    4. Martial the new Henry
    5. Rashford the new Martial
    Macheda was never a prophecy lol

    The Jones and Smalling one was a good one though.
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    (Original post by zKlown)
    Macheda was never a prophecy lol

    The Jones and Smalling one was a good one though.
    Don't act like when Machedaaaaaaa happened he wasn't the new Solskjaer
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    (Original post by zKlown)
    Macheda was never a prophecy lol
    Scored a winning goal on his debut at age 17, and looked like Bergkamp while doing it.

    u sure bro.
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    Plz rank the following prophecies:

    1. Giggs as manager
    2. Jones and Smalling at the heart of our defence for a decade
    3. Macheda
    4. Martial the new Henry
    5. Rashford the new Martial
    Prophecies reminds me of this article I saw last year about Nostradamus predicting the United transfers. Some funny links though, given it was a book from 1555.
    Link: http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/02/nostra...s-ago-5371549/

    I.e.
    Bastian Schweinsteiger: After there will come from the outermost countries A German prince, upon the golden throne German princes, outermost countries…we told you it got better.

    Darmian and Rafael: In Turin the first ones will be burned, when Lyons will be transported with grief. Matteo Darmian joined form Torino, while many United fans were more than a little bit emotional about Rafael’s departure to Lyon.
 
 
 
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