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    (Original post by United1892)
    Not really they'll happily describe all people on benefits as scroungers.
    Cameron and Hunt represent the most electable version of the Tories.

    Cameron is a fantastic PR man, and portrays himself in public very well.

    May would (and should) play the Thatcher card

    IDS is incompetent.

    Hague came across as reasonable, but lacked authority in speech or ability to inspire.

    Gove has the right breed of arrogance (in a Farage way) but lacks the support.

    Osborne seems to be very intelligent, but he really seems to have a few screws loose.

    Hunt is like Cameron, but will suffer, as he most oversee the ideological destruction of the health service, he will come out either incompetent or evil.

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    (Original post by United1892)
    Maybe some people don't want to cut the wages of workers.
    Even that aside, to dislike inflation is foolish since it encourages spending.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Cameron and Hunt represent the most electable version of the Tories.

    Cameron is a fantastic PR man, and portrays himself in public very well.

    May would (and should) play the Thatcher card

    IDS is incompetent.

    Hague came across as reasonable, but lacked authority in speech or ability to inspire.

    Gove has the right breed of arrogance (in a Farage way) but lacks the support.

    Osborne seems to be very intelligent, but he really seems to have a few screws loose.

    Hunt is like Cameron, but will suffer, as he most oversee the ideological destruction of the health service, he will come out either incompetent or evil.

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    And his nostrils lined? And A ******* most tories hate?
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Cameron and Hunt represent the most electable version of the Tories.

    Cameron is a fantastic PR man, and portrays himself in public very well.

    May would (and should) play the Thatcher card

    IDS is incompetent.

    Hague came across as reasonable, but lacked authority in speech or ability to inspire.

    Gove has the right breed of arrogance (in a Farage way) but lacks the support.

    Osborne seems to be very intelligent, but he really seems to have a few screws loose.

    Hunt is like Cameron, but will suffer, as he most oversee the ideological destruction of the health service, he will come out either incompetent or evil.

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    Cameron is admittedly good at presenting himself.

    May flip flops on policy so if she tried to play the Thatcher card I doubt it'd work.

    IDS is very incompetent yes.

    Hague wasn't the worst of the tories.

    Gove is also very extreme in his views.

    Osbourne is relatively intelligent although he's not exactly a great economical mind.

    Hunt will come out pretty badly if he messes up on the NHS.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Even that aside, to dislike inflation is foolish since it encourages spending.
    lower prices also encourage spending, that would generally be a sign of deflation.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As is often the case, speaking out of your arse.
    I don't what I've said that goes against anything in that essay you wrote there.
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    That's interesting. Though not surprising. James does flip flop a lot.
    Ironic.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    lower prices also encourage spending, that would generally be a sign of deflation.
    Deflation does not drive spending. Answer me this: when are you more likely to buy something, when it may well be more expensive tomorrow, or when it is probably going to be cheaper tomorrow?
    Prices are also relative, prices should naturally fall in real terms given that most of the time wages increase faster than prices, the long term averages being nearly double for wage growth compared to inflation.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I don't what I've said that goes against anything in that essay you wrote there.
    But it does. You are declaring us left wing and the states right wing, but by the metrics given there either we are right wing or the states left. One or more of your premises must be wrong.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Ironic.
    I wonder if he is still carrying out his agenda. APH strikes me as a bit of a Uturner says one thing and does another
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Deflation does not drive spending. Answer me this: when are you more likely to buy something, when it may well be more expensive tomorrow, or when it is probably going to be cheaper tomorrow?
    Prices are also relative, prices should naturally fall in real terms given that most of the time wages increase faster than prices, the long term averages being nearly double for wage growth compared to inflation.
    If I want it today and I can afford it today I will buy it today. Inflation also has the effect of butchering savings and making them worth a lot less.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    But it does. You are declaring us left wing and the states right wing, but by the metrics given there either we are right wing or the states left. One or more of your premises must be wrong.
    Those weren't the metrics, Nigel said some things stating that we're right wing and I used them same metrics to say that they could equally be seen as left wing, it has nothing to do with my point of view.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    If I want it today and I can afford it today I will buy it today. Inflation also has the effect of butchering savings and making them worth a lot less.
    That's waht the BoE rate is for, to control inflation via making it better to invest or spend. Inflation too high, bank rate goes up to increase returns on savings to make people invest, too low, cut the rate and incentivise people to spend. Bar very high inflation, well managed savings should lead to real terms increases in wealth, that just hasn't been the case recently because of the 0.5% rate.

    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Those weren't the metrics, Nigel said some things stating that we're right wing and I used them same metrics to say that they could equally be seen as left wing, it has nothing to do with my point of view.
    What metrics do you want to use then, or are you just going to be hand wavey again.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    If I want it today and I can afford it today I will buy it today. Inflation also has the effect of butchering savings and making them worth a lot less.
    Same effect on debt though
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That's waht the BoE rate is for, to control inflation via making it better to invest or spend. Inflation too high, bank rate goes up to increase returns on savings to make people invest, too low, cut the rate and incentivise people to spend. Bar very high inflation, well managed savings should lead to real terms increases in wealth, that just hasn't been the case recently because of the 0.5% rate.
    Surely it would be better for savings if we allowed deflation. In any case people aren't just going to stop spending because of deflation, it lasted a good 150 years in America from the late 1700s to early 1900s and the economy grew well.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Same effect on debt though
    but that only helps stupid people who went into debt.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What metrics do you want to use then, or are you just going to be hand wavey again.
    All the metrics, everyone of them. We have a higher minimum wage now than we did under Tony Blair, we have a benefit cap that's more than what a lot of people working earn, we have a very high housing benefit bill, we have a national health service, we have very accessible student loans, there's so much more that I'll have to go in to
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    (Original post by United1892)
    but that only helps stupid people who went into debt.
    Debt is a way of life, I don't know many people that aren't in some form of debt.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)



    My political beliefs haven't changed ever in my life. My economic beliefs have slightly. I don't know when I have ever not been a socialist.

    PetrosAC Remember The Neo-Communist Republic of New Greenland?
    I do James xD The one man country that was 1 foot by 3 feet pretty much

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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Debt is a way of life, I don't know many people that aren't in some form of debt.
    well it shouldn't be.
 
 
 
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