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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Well I included Greece in that. Spain and Italy both got lumped with fascism for fat too long. Eastern Europe had it;s share of Soviet 'Fascism' The flipping Berlin wall only fell just before I was born for gods sake. What we have now does not have to last at all.
    And the rest of Europe got stuck with "capitalist Fascism", something the rest of Europe has now been infected with?
    On what basis should Greece be included in that?
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    And the rest of Europe got stuck with "capitalist Fascism", something the rest of Europe has now been infected with?
    On what basis should Greece be included in that?
    I don't know what you are talking about. I clearly said fascism has been shook off from Spain, Italy and Greece. Fascism obviously shared a lot fo similarities with the soviet union but it is dishonest to say they are the same.

    I feel it is some tiresome all left wingers are fascist gib.


    "This man's face, which I saw only for a minute or two, remains with me as a sort of visual reminder of what the war was really about. He symbolizes for me the flower of the European working class, harried by the police of all countries, the people who fill the mass graves of the Spanish battlefields and are now, to the tune of several millions, rotting in forced-labour camps."

    - Orwell, fighter against fascism in all its forms. Defender of socialist working class.

    That's where I am coming from, thoroughly socialist and anti fascist .
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I don;t see Greece as being any more foreign than France or Germany.
    Greece is indeed 'one of us', albeit the Catholic's seem to be a bit friendly with socialism.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I don't know what you are talking about. I clearly said fascism has been shook off from Spain, Italy and Greece. Fascism obviously shared a lot fo similarities with the soviet union but it is dishonest to say they are the same.

    I feel it is some tiresome all left wingers are fascist gib.


    "This man's face, which I saw only for a minute or two, remains with me as a sort of visual reminder of what the war was really about. He symbolizes for me the flower of the European working class, harried by the police of all countries, the people who fill the mass graves of the Spanish battlefields and are now, to the tune of several millions, rotting in forced-labour camps."

    - Orwell, fighter against fascism in all its forms. Defender of socialist working class.

    That's where I am coming from, thoroughly socialist and anti fascist .
    Where was there even the slightest suggestion left=fascist

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    Greece is indeed 'one of us', albeit the Catholic's seem to be a bit friendly with socialism.
    Because Catholic countries are poorer, and poor people like socialism.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Greece is indeed 'one of us', albeit the Catholic's seem to be a bit friendly with socialism.
    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Because Catholic countries are poorer, and poor people like socialism.
    And perhaps because Jesus Christ espoused many of the values commended by socialists today.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Because Catholic countries are poorer, and poor people like socialism.
    Spain and Italy? Even Greece wasn't exactly poor once it stuck the finger up at the Soviets,

    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    And perhaps because Jesus Christ espoused many of the values commended by socialists today.
    That doesn't explain why the heavily Christian US escaped. Its something unique to Catholicism over other Christian branches. Jews and Protestants seem less likely to embrace the left.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Where was there even the slightest suggestion left=fascist

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    So then what were you asking?

    You seemed to think I was suggesting Europe is still covered with fascism because capitalism = fascism?

    Fascism is the mixed economy but with a totalitarian state overseeing it all and molding how people think and what they can and can not do. With a bit of genocide and killing political opponents. So Fascism was capitalist in a sense, just like every other country with the mixed econmoy was (which was like every country).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    That doesn't explain why the heavily Christian US escaped. Its something unique to Catholicism over other Christian branches. Jews and Protestants seem less likely to embrace the left.
    It is strange. There's the same Catholic-Protestant split with regards to countries bailed out during the Eurozone crisis, with the exception of Austria and Bavaria.
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    In the Catholic front, if we're talking globally then the reason is obvious. If we're talking about Europe, it's really an Orthodox - non orthodox split, but that's down to the USSR

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    Want to really change politics? Look to cooperatives ~ Stella
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...k-cooperatives

    Why didn't you dunder heads vote for her?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Want to really change politics? Look to cooperatives ~ Stella
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...k-cooperatives

    Why didn't you dunder heads vote for her?
    I did, always rated her over Watson.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Want to really change politics? Look to cooperatives ~ Stella
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...k-cooperatives

    Why didn't you dunder heads vote for her?
    Some of us did
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    As soon as I found out the cooperative party in the labour party was a thing and that they had nominated Stella I wanted her to win.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Want to really change politics? Look to cooperatives ~ Stella
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...k-cooperatives

    Why didn't you dunder heads vote for her?
    What's your beef with Tom?

    Tom Watson is a good man, someone who can unite the party and fix Corbyns gaffes. He has a lot of experience. Both sides of the party like him and he did an amazing job on the phone hacking scandal. Plus you can't have a leader and deputy with seats in London, it just doesn't look good.

    Stella should run for deputy again next time.

    Not really sure why she wasn't given a cabinet position though.
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    What's your beef with Tom?

    Tom Watson is a good man, someone who can unite the party and fix Corbyns gaffes. He has a lot of experience. Both sides of the party like him and he did an amazing job on the phone hacking scandal. Plus you can't have a leader and deputy with seats in London, it just doesn't look good.

    Stella should run for deputy again next time.

    Not really sure why she wasn't given a cabinet position though.
    She uses words like mutualism. That just the kind of lefty I am :yes: The cooperative party had her as their preference. Plus she was described as the radical centre as apposed to the scary communist section of the party :afraid:

    Also then you lot wouldn't be complaining about lack of women in leadership roles if the deputy was female. It's almost like there are other considerations to be taken into account that aren't gender :innocent:

    Ye... she should have been given some kind of organizational networking grassroutes type role or something. I dunno.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    What's your beef with Tom?

    Tom Watson is a good man, someone who can unite the party and fix Corbyns gaffes. He has a lot of experience. Both sides of the party like him and he did an amazing job on the phone hacking scandal. Plus you can't have a leader and deputy with seats in London, it just doesn't look good.

    Stella should run for deputy again next time.

    Not really sure why she wasn't given a cabinet position though.
    Corbyn islington north
    Watson west bromwich east
    They are not both in London
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    (Original post by BigItch)
    Corbyn islington north
    Watson west bromwich east
    They are not both in London
    She meant if Creasy won, Islington North and Walthamstow
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    She meant if Creasy won, Islington North and Walthamstow
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    (Original post by BigItch)
    Corbyn islington north
    Watson west bromwich east
    They are not both in London
    My point was that walthamstow - ie Stella's seat - is in london?
 
 
 
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