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    Going to start trying to do a personal statement.

    Still not entirely sure if this is the right career for me though. I do love working with the children, helping them with their work, reading with them, and playing with the little ones but I know that's not all a teacher does and there's so much more to it.

    It was my plan from about March 2012 do finish my degree, take a gap year and then apply for a PGCE. This was still my plan from Feb onwards and then in July because that's when I approached the school I'm at now for more experience. It was even my plan a few weeks ago, and since I started I keep having doubts about whether it's really what I want to do.

    I also thought it was a stable career, but, the teacher I work with most of the time is just a supply teacher doing a couple of days a week before she goes full time to cover maternity, but after that she will be looking for a job again. And another girl I know who finished her PGCE in June this year still doesn't have a job, even though I've seen lots of KS1/2 teacher advertised on council websites and stuff.

    So, so much doubt in my head about it now. But I don't want to not apply and then completely regret it

    Have a bit of a PS here I started a few months ago but it's rubbish and I don't know where to start with it.

    Also need to contact my old uni tutor to ask her if she'll do me a reference (I'm sure she will).
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    (Original post by BabyGirl92)
    Going to start trying to do a personal statement.

    Still not entirely sure if this is the right career for me though. I do love working with the children, helping them with their work, reading with them, and playing with the little ones but I know that's not all a teacher does and there's so much more to it.

    It was my plan from about March 2012 do finish my degree, take a gap year and then apply for a PGCE. This was still my plan from Feb onwards and then in July because that's when I approached the school I'm at now for more experience. It was even my plan a few weeks ago, and since I started I keep having doubts about whether it's really what I want to do.

    I also thought it was a stable career, but, the teacher I work with most of the time is just a supply teacher doing a couple of days a week before she goes full time to cover maternity, but after that she will be looking for a job again. And another girl I know who finished her PGCE in June this year still doesn't have a job, even though I've seen lots of KS1/2 teacher advertised on council websites and stuff.

    So, so much doubt in my head about it now. But I don't want to not apply and then completely regret it

    Have a bit of a PS here I started a few months ago but it's rubbish and I don't know where to start with it.

    Also need to contact my old uni tutor to ask her if she'll do me a reference (I'm sure she will).
    It isn't something you should go in to lightly. And you're right, there is a lot of behind the scenes work- especially when you first start and haven't figured out how to do planning and marking and recording data as efficiently as you will later on (& when certain bits are necessary). It is tough. Especially in my KS1 placement I found the amount of paperwork, marking etc unreal! I find it a bit better in eyfs as learning journeys are fun to do.

    Having said that, it might be that you're just having nerves as you find out more about it. I remember reading the PGCE tired and stressed thread beforehand and panicking a bit. But I pushed through and am so glad I did... You do have bad days where you feel like it's all on top of you but actually knowing you have the power to make a Child's life better is amazing and makes the bad times worth it.

    Plus the extra work (non child centred) doesn't seem as bad when you have a full understanding of how it helps the childrens learning and you organise it yourself to do so... Eg when you're going through and looking at how children did by marking it becomes a lot more interesting than blindly marking.

    What age range PGCE are you looking at?

    If you have any more specific qs to help you decide please ask away and I will help if I can!

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    It isn't something you should go in to lightly. And you're right, there is a lot of behind the scenes work- especially when you first start and haven't figured out how to do planning and marking and recording data as efficiently as you will later on (& when certain bits are necessary). It is tough. Especially in my KS1 placement I found the amount of paperwork, marking etc unreal! I find it a bit better in eyfs as learning journeys are fun to do.

    Having said that, it might be that you're just having nerves as you find out more about it. I remember reading the PGCE tired and stressed thread beforehand and panicking a bit. But I pushed through and am so glad I did... You do have bad days where you feel like it's all on top of you but actually knowing you have the power to make a Child's life better is amazing and makes the bad times worth it.

    Plus the extra work (non child centred) doesn't seem as bad when you have a full understanding of how it helps the childrens learning and you organise it yourself to do so... Eg when you're going through and looking at how children did by marking it becomes a lot more interesting than blindly marking.

    What age range PGCE are you looking at?

    If you have any more specific qs to help you decide please ask away and I will help if I can!

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    I was going to apply for age 7-11 at one uni and then a KS1 and 2 course at another uni.

    I'm not sure if I can do lower primary at the uni I want to go to because it says you need a degree in Early Years to do it :/
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    (Original post by BabyGirl92)
    I was going to apply for age 7-11 at one uni and then a KS1 and 2 course at another uni.

    I'm not sure if I can do lower primary at the uni I want to go to because it says you need a degree in Early Years to do it :/
    Ah really? Not heard of that before. If you feel you would want to do early years and key stage 1 it might be worth looking in to other unis. Of course this might not work for you depending on circumstance etc. Or you might not want to anyway!

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    Ah really? Not heard of that before. If you feel you would want to do early years and key stage 1 it might be worth looking in to other unis. Of course this might not work for you depending on circumstance etc. Or you might not want to anyway!

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    I think it may have changed since I looked last. On the Primary PGCE page it says there is two pathways, Primary Foundation Phase (3-7) and Primary Key Stage 2 (7-11) and in the entry requirements says 'Recent and relevant experience in a mainstream school across the primary age range.'

    So I could try and get more experience in the lower class since I've already had loads in a KS2 class before. That's the uni I would preferably go to if circumstances meant I had to stay at home.

    BUT for Liverpool Hope (the uni I would apply for if I decided not to stay at home) it says for the Primary (Foundation Stage/KS1) PGCE 'You will not be considered for this course unless you have an Early Years related Degree' so it's out of the question for me to do it there, I could only do Upper Primary there. I was worried about not being able to get on it with a Psychology degree, but someone on my course just has so there's hope for that lol.
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    (Original post by BabyGirl92)
    I think it may have changed since I looked last. On the Primary PGCE page it says there is two pathways, Primary Foundation Phase (3-7) and Primary Key Stage 2 (7-11) and in the entry requirements says 'Recent and relevant experience in a mainstream school across the primary age range.'

    So I could try and get more experience in the lower class since I've already had loads in a KS2 class before. That's the uni I would preferably go to if circumstances meant I had to stay at home.

    BUT for Liverpool Hope (the uni I would apply for if I decided not to stay at home) it says for the Primary (Foundation Stage/KS1) PGCE 'You will not be considered for this course unless you have an Early Years related Degree' so it's out of the question for me to do it there, I could only do Upper Primary there. I was worried about not being able to get on it with a Psychology degree, but someone on my course just has so there's hope for that lol.
    Ah ok I see I guess they feel you need more theory than they can provide in the year. Though I suppose if someone had done psychology and specialised in early educational psychology it could match?

    More experience in younger classes (ESP early years as it's more different) can be great, even if you decide it's not for you you can use it to inform your practice with older children (just as I find it really interesting to go to year 6... They seem so old!).

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    Ah ok I see I guess they feel you need more theory than they can provide in the year. Though I suppose if someone had done psychology and specialised in early educational psychology it could match?

    More experience in younger classes (ESP early years as it's more different) can be great, even if you decide it's not for you you can use it to inform your practice with older children (just as I find it really interesting to go to year 6... They seem so old!).

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    Yeah year 6 kids seem so old and clever :P I think there's only about 5 in year 6 in this school so not so intimidating but I would be so overhwelmed by like 30 of them!
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    (Original post by LaurieLee)
    I know what you mean about being under-confident.

    Deciding to apply was kind of a last minute thing for me. I mean, I've been thinking about teaching a lot, but it took some heart to heart conversations with friends and family to convince me that I would be good at doing it and should apply!

    A lot of people don't get on a course first time, so I am a bit worried about that, especially applying for English, but I am making a conscious effort to gain as many experiences by November as possible to support my application!

    I hope you get on this year, Drama is popular but if you are passionate enough, I am sure you can do it

    I know it is difficult, but try and think positive, because if you set yourself up to fail, you won't put your all into trying! Good luck!!
    I'm the same, deciding to apply was a last minute thing for me too! Up until just before my final year exams I was preparing to do a law conversion course, before realising I really didn't feel right about it and that what I really wanted to do was teach my subject (English) which I love! But as you say, because I decided so late in the year getting experience has been difficult and I just hope it's enough because I REALLY want to get on this year. I'm having a gap year at the moment since graduating and hope to start a PGCE in 2014. The thought of missing out and having to do another year of waiting doesn't bear thinking about. What experience have you got so far?


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    I can't seem to find a way of searching for which Universities provide certain courses. Will this only come out in November when applications open?
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    (Original post by selhurst-hero)
    I can't seem to find a way of searching for which Universities provide certain courses. Will this only come out in November when applications open?
    You can use the GTTR search if it still works? Just select the course you want and then press go. Or am I acting totally thick and you've already done that and it doesn't work?
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    I did try that but it's not coming up with any results for Seconday History.


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    (Original post by selhurst-hero)
    I did try that but it's not coming up with any results for Seconday History.


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    Try googling the names of unis close to you and then 'history pgce'.
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    I'm currently in my third year and I am going to apply for Primary PGCE this November for Sept 2014 but I'm still not 100% where I want to apply for.

    Up until the back end of summer I was going to stay up North but I'm positive I want to go to London and totally have a new experience with things but there are so many to choose from! I think I've narrowed it down a little bit but any advice on which Universities in London are more preferable would be greatly appreciated!

    Also at the beginning of the year I started volunteering at my old primary school, which was surreal! However with my University for one of my modules I am doing the Students in School module and I'm just wondering whether this would class as experience in a school (I mean it's in a school so I can't see why not :P).

    Total essay...sorry! xx
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    (Original post by beccie)
    I'm currently in my third year and I am going to apply for Primary PGCE this November for Sept 2014 but I'm still not 100% where I want to apply for.

    Up until the back end of summer I was going to stay up North but I'm positive I want to go to London and totally have a new experience with things but there are so many to choose from! I think I've narrowed it down a little bit but any advice on which Universities in London are more preferable would be greatly appreciated!

    Also at the beginning of the year I started volunteering at my old primary school, which was surreal! However with my University for one of my modules I am doing the Students in School module and I'm just wondering whether this would class as experience in a school (I mean it's in a school so I can't see why not :P).

    Total essay...sorry! xx
    I would be wary of starting such a difficult course and moving to a completely different place. You will need family/friends around to keep you sane. Also, have you taken into account that some London schools are much more difficult than some northern schools? (More ENglish as a foreign language students, behavioural issues etc on average).

    The IOE is one of the best in London for pgces.

    Your university experience will count yes.
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    Hey all

    I'm looking to apply for a PGCE in 2014 for Secondary English ... and oh my goodness is there so much to take in!

    I'm working as a TA in a secondary school at the moment, years 7-11. Although my main focus is SEN and behavioural students, it still involves assisting across the board. I'm also lucky in that my time-table has me in everything from extra curricular support lessons, through to top set.
    It's also really interesting looking at how the same students respond to different subjects, and how different subjects teach (some more games and practical focused, others very heavily text book reliant). Very invaluable experience, and having been there a month, I'm fast filling a note book with ideas!

    I also worked for 6 months at a vocational college for ages 16+ in the Life Long Learning Sector. Although my main focus there was Literacy, I still worked in vocational topics too. A very different experience, but very useful!! The college was primarily attended by those were conventional education had failed them, so it was interesting to see how they wouldn't engage with normal literacy, but got incredibly creative and focused when the literacy tasks related to their chosen vocational area. This is definitely something I hope I can take away and build on for teaching.

    I'm hoping that should be enough experience for a PGCE. The only thing I wonder is, if my experience is wide enough? The school I'm in at the moment is on Special Measures, with the transition to becoming an Academy in Easter 2014. The vocational college was Ofsted ranked as a Grade 3 which is "satisfactory" with some areas of "good".

    Should I be endeavoring to work in a school that is ranked by Ofsted as being Outstanding? Both the Middle School and Upper school I went to are both "Outstanding" and in 6th form I did a little bit in lower years as part of a volunteering scheme. Would this be enough to count?

    I'm considering UEA at the moment, and am heading up there next week to have a look around and meet some course leaders.

    Does anyone know of any websites that help with the QTS Literacy and Numeracy tests?

    Thank you! Look forward to talking to you all more, and getting some fantastic advice and support!
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    Hey all

    I'm looking to apply for a PGCE in 2014 for Secondary English ... and oh my goodness is there so much to take in!

    I'm working as a TA in a secondary school at the moment, years 7-11. Although my main focus is SEN and behavioural students, it still involves assisting across the board. I'm also lucky in that my time-table has me in everything from extra curricular support lessons, through to top set.
    It's also really interesting looking at how the same students respond to different subjects, and how different subjects teach (some more games and practical focused, others very heavily text book reliant). Very invaluable experience, and having been there a month, I'm fast filling a note book with ideas!

    I also worked for 6 months at a vocational college for ages 16+ in the Life Long Learning Sector. Although my main focus there was Literacy, I still worked in vocational topics too. A very different experience, but very useful!! The college was primarily attended by those were conventional education had failed them, so it was interesting to see how they wouldn't engage with normal literacy, but got incredibly creative and focused when the literacy tasks related to their chosen vocational area. This is definitely something I hope I can take away and build on for teaching.

    I'm hoping that should be enough experience for a PGCE. The only thing I wonder is, if my experience is wide enough? The school I'm in at the moment is on Special Measures, with the transition to becoming an Academy in Easter 2014. The vocational college was Ofsted ranked as a Grade 3 which is "satisfactory" with some areas of "good".

    Should I be endeavoring to work in a school that is ranked by Ofsted as being Outstanding? Both the Middle School and Upper school I went to are both "Outstanding" and in 6th form I did a little bit in lower years as part of a volunteering scheme. Would this be enough to count?

    I'm considering UEA at the moment, and am heading up there next week to have a look around and meet some course leaders.

    Does anyone know of any websites that help with the QTS Literacy and Numeracy tests?

    Thank you! Look forward to talking to you all more, and getting some fantastic advice and support!
    You definitely have enough experience, don't worry. It's all about how you reflect on that experience in ps and interview though.
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    (Original post by CER1389)
    Hey all

    I'm looking to apply for a PGCE in 2014 for Secondary English ... and oh my goodness is there so much to take in!

    I'm working as a TA in a secondary school at the moment, years 7-11. Although my main focus is SEN and behavioural students, it still involves assisting across the board. I'm also lucky in that my time-table has me in everything from extra curricular support lessons, through to top set.
    It's also really interesting looking at how the same students respond to different subjects, and how different subjects teach (some more games and practical focused, others very heavily text book reliant). Very invaluable experience, and having been there a month, I'm fast filling a note book with ideas!

    I also worked for 6 months at a vocational college for ages 16+ in the Life Long Learning Sector. Although my main focus there was Literacy, I still worked in vocational topics too. A very different experience, but very useful!! The college was primarily attended by those were conventional education had failed them, so it was interesting to see how they wouldn't engage with normal literacy, but got incredibly creative and focused when the literacy tasks related to their chosen vocational area. This is definitely something I hope I can take away and build on for teaching.

    I'm hoping that should be enough experience for a PGCE. The only thing I wonder is, if my experience is wide enough? The school I'm in at the moment is on Special Measures, with the transition to becoming an Academy in Easter 2014. The vocational college was Ofsted ranked as a Grade 3 which is "satisfactory" with some areas of "good".

    Should I be endeavoring to work in a school that is ranked by Ofsted as being Outstanding? Both the Middle School and Upper school I went to are both "Outstanding" and in 6th form I did a little bit in lower years as part of a volunteering scheme. Would this be enough to count?

    I'm considering UEA at the moment, and am heading up there next week to have a look around and meet some course leaders.

    Does anyone know of any websites that help with the QTS Literacy and Numeracy tests?

    Thank you! Look forward to talking to you all more, and getting some fantastic advice and support!
    Like shelly said it's all about how you reflect. Being in a Requires Improvement/Special Measures school for experience should not count against you. For a start Ofsted are far from perfect so I would expect all unis to be hesitant to make judgements based on reports anyway. But also, the experience you have is not to do with you having seen good practice which you can use (although that is useful!), it's about you understanding about how children learn, and using what you HAVE seen to input in to your own practice.

    Also, UEA!!!! DO IT!!!



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    Hi everyone, not sure if you can help me.

    I'm a 31 year old secondary history teacher but an awful lot has changed with the application process since I went though it and I'm looking for some help for my husband.

    He is 33 and a landscape gardener but 4 years ago he started his OU degree in Social sciences with Geography and got a 2:1 just over a year ago. He did this full time while working full time. In the meantime we have had a son and my husband has managed to do 2 weeks experience in a primary school in July but as he gets no holiday pay we can't really afford for him to do much more and it is difficult for him to get the time off work.

    For over ten years he has helped teach the trumpet at a boys marching band twice a week and has taken the lads on trips around the uk/abroad etc so has quite a lot of experience working with young people in other ways.

    Do you think this will be enough experience for him to get a place on a teaching course? When I applied I had only done a day of observation - it was a lot less competitive then I think! Or do you think he will definitely need more to apply for Primary teaching this year? He did apply for a couple of School Direct places for this year in June but this was before he had done his experience and he didn't get an interview.

    Thanks for your help!
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    Hi everyone, not sure if you can help me.

    I'm a 31 year old secondary history teacher but an awful lot has changed with the application process since I went though it and I'm looking for some help for my husband.

    He is 33 and a landscape gardener but 4 years ago he started his OU degree in Social sciences with Geography and got a 2:1 just over a year ago. He did this full time while working full time. In the meantime we have had a son and my husband has managed to do 2 weeks experience in a primary school in July but as he gets no holiday pay we can't really afford for him to do much more and it is difficult for him to get the time off work.

    For over ten years he has helped teach the trumpet at a boys marching band twice a week and has taken the lads on trips around the uk/abroad etc so has quite a lot of experience working with young people in other ways.

    Do you think this will be enough experience for him to get a place on a teaching course? When I applied I had only done a day of observation - it was a lot less competitive then I think! Or do you think he will definitely need more to apply for Primary teaching this year? He did apply for a couple of School Direct places for this year in June but this was before he had done his experience and he didn't get an interview.

    Thanks for your help!
    I think two weeks is enough. That tends to be the minimum. To be honest, you hear all sorts of stories to do with exp. Some people have loads (maybe years) and still don't get a place, others have two weeks or something and are successful. I would think your husband would at least get an interview, and then he can focus on impressing at interview! I'm not applying for primary though, so someone else might want to comment. I believe it is more competitive than secondary. I wish him the best of luck.

    I have a question myself, to anyone who knows. Can you defer an offer? I don't think you can but I thought I'd check.
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    (Original post by Cloclo15)
    Hi everyone, not sure if you can help me.

    I'm a 31 year old secondary history teacher but an awful lot has changed with the application process since I went though it and I'm looking for some help for my husband.

    He is 33 and a landscape gardener but 4 years ago he started his OU degree in Social sciences with Geography and got a 2:1 just over a year ago. He did this full time while working full time. In the meantime we have had a son and my husband has managed to do 2 weeks experience in a primary school in July but as he gets no holiday pay we can't really afford for him to do much more and it is difficult for him to get the time off work.

    For over ten years he has helped teach the trumpet at a boys marching band twice a week and has taken the lads on trips around the uk/abroad etc so has quite a lot of experience working with young people in other ways.

    Do you think this will be enough experience for him to get a place on a teaching course? When I applied I had only done a day of observation - it was a lot less competitive then I think! Or do you think he will definitely need more to apply for Primary teaching this year? He did apply for a couple of School Direct places for this year in June but this was before he had done his experience and he didn't get an interview.

    Thanks for your help!
    He's got the minimum amount needed, so he has every chance of getting an interview. It's more about what he learnt from his exp and what he observed than the length of it. Make sure he's very reflective about his exp on his personal statement and reflective of teaching in general.
 
 
 
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