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Personally, I've never looked down to BTEC students.. They have coursework and we have exams. People calls BTEC students all sorts of things because at the end of the year all they're doing is typing 2000+ words whereas AS/A2s are busy cramming books and notes so in a way there's this thought of A-Levels being superior. Tbh, BTEC seems easy but it's actually not. To get a D* in BTEC apparently is just as hard to get an A* in A2 i heard..

Also, there's this misconception that most of the BTEC students are the 'less-capable' ones, however there are bright students who don't like exams but are more comfortable with coursework.

I do A2s, and personally i would have done BTEC if it had the same value, but at the end of the day it just doesn't. It's not about being clever or not, with A-Levels you stand a better chance of getting into top unis, i know they do take BTEC students but that's handful. A-Level is just 'superior' to BTEC but there isn't a definitive answer as to why thats the case. To me, they're equally hard but A2s is harder than majority of BTECs
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Oxford and Cambridge are not for everyone.


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I personally think that most A Level students think that because BTEC students don't have any exams, it is easier. They also think that they get many chances to improve their work before it is officially marked. I can't judge how hard or easy BTEC's are as I do A levels, but I think that's the perception of BTECs.
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You can do a BTEC and get a job or go onto uni.. A levels have no other use than to get you into u

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That's not true.
You can do A level mathematics and further mathematics and go into accountancy but not through university - through an employer?
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Meh.. I'll unfollow the thread later.. When I'm done with doing maintenance
Ah fair dos


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Oxford and Cambridge are not for everyone.


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*claps* especially when you are doing a levels and don't have all As/A*s in your gcses.

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How does never sitting an exam prepare them for higher education? Surely their in for a big shock when they get to uni exams

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Not if you actually learn the content, if you do then you should be able to apply your knowledge in any situation, rather than being trained to take exams, I took a BTEC and have achieved high 2:1's and 1st's in the exams that I've taken so far including one that was 85% on the BTEC you learn very relevant content to what you learn at A level and very similar to what ive done at uni so in that respect I believe that they do prepare you well and I know that mine has as I'm achieving high results at uni, a few of my modules at uni are pretty much the same as some of my old BTEC units

I think if you know what you want to do either at uni or for a job, doing something that allows you specialise in just that subject area can be very beneficial
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Not if you actually learn the content, if you do then you should be able to apply your knowledge in any situation, rather than being trained to take exams, I took a BTEC and have achieved high 2:1's and 1st's in the exams that I've taken so far including one that was 85% on the BTEC you learn very relevant content to what you learn at A level and very similar to what ive done at uni so in that respect I believe that they do prepare you well and I know that mine has as I'm achieving high results at uni, a few of my modules at uni are pretty much the same as some of my old BTEC units

I think if you know what you want to do either at uni or for a job, doing something that allows you specialise in just that subject area can be very beneficial
Whilst you seem to be in the minority group of BTEC courses working in regards to your academic career, I fail to see how BTEC students have the same motivation to actually learn the content when they know they will never be tested on it and can simply Google it and dump it in their essays (do excuse my ignorance in regards to the BTEC assessment style).

I've seen countless BTEC students thrown onto BTEC courses after not having the grades to do their desired A-levels; how can you be motivated on courses you don't have a passion for?
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Whilst you seem to be in the minority group of BTEC courses working in regards to your academic career, I fail to see how BTEC students have the same motivation to actually learn the content when they know they will never be tested on it and can simply Google it and dump it in their essays (do excuse my ignorance in regards to the BTEC assessment style).

I've seen countless BTEC students thrown onto BTEC courses after not having the grades to do their desired A-levels; how can you be motivated on courses you don't have a passion for?
I agree some people maybe thrown in to the course but these people are normally the ones who don't get DDD in the course which is needed to get into university.
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Whilst you seem to be in the minority group of BTEC courses working in regards to your academic career, I fail to see how BTEC students have the same motivation to actually learn the content when they know they will never be tested on it and can simply Google it and dump it in their essays (do excuse my ignorance in regards to the BTEC assessment style).

I've seen countless BTEC students thrown onto BTEC courses after not having the grades to do their desired A-levels; how can you be motivated on courses you don't have a passion for?
Those that were less motivated towards understanding the knowledge done exactly what you mentioned, google the information and dump it. If you go to HE, regardless of where it is, you will not get a 2:1 or above. They'll be, at best, averaging 56%. Academics or not, it doesn't go well for them.
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(Original post by itsConnor_)
Whilst you seem to be in the minority group of BTEC courses working in regards to your academic career, I fail to see how BTEC students have the same motivation to actually learn the content when they know they will never be tested on it and can simply Google it and dump it in their essays (do excuse my ignorance in regards to the BTEC assessment style).

I've seen countless BTEC students thrown onto BTEC courses after not having the grades to do their desired A-levels; how can you be motivated on courses you don't have a passion for?
You're right but the people who pick a course just to put off getting a job for a few years won't be motivated however if they pass they are technically still trained and will probably look for a job in that industry which means they will have to recall and apply the skills they learnt on a daily basis, those who go to uni from the BTEC will have only studied one subject area so they will have a vast knowledge on it and in certain subjects this can be a more beneficial route instead of A levels where someone may take a mix of subjects to keep their options open...

...for example I know people at uni from my CompSci course who took A level Maths and 2 other random, unrelated subjects and there are just 2 maths modules in the first year and the rest is computing theory or programming which some of those who didnt take Computing seem to find it a real learning curve whereas those who took Computing A level or IT BTEC have the nessasery programming experience and on the BTEC you are able to do more programming than Computing A level if you do the correct units.

Also as I previously said in this thread you cant just copy from Google, my teachers used a plagerism checker and those you did get caught had a disciplinary meeting, had to take a test on the work they copied and were then removed from the course on being unable to answer the questions

They people on my course who went to uni were truly passionate and we all thrived on learning new topics, these people came out with D*D*D* and got into good universities however the ones who weren't passionate obtained grades of around PPP and are unable to find work in the IT sector
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I get that with certain courses, Health + Social care for example are complete knobs, However courses like Engineering are filled with A-level capable students...
Sorry, you've just proven yourself to be a hypocrite by looking down upon another btec course. It's like me saying 'the majority of people doing EEE are hood-rats', I can't say that because Im not in that course, I do health and social care and I came out of gcse's with 5 B's and 2 C's last year, and I believe I made a mature decision in choosing elevate myself towards a frowned upon pathway, even though I know I could've done A level without any worry and without retaking anything, I still don't look down upon ANYONE doing ANY btec course, as it's their individual decision, therefore please don't paint everyone with one paint brush, just because the people you've seen doing H&SC could seen dumb, doesn't mean everyone doing that course is.

There's no point posting this when you then go against what you just said, you've literally made a counter argument between yourself.
every course from Alevels to btec is important as you come out of it with a qualification, ready to work in whatever workforce you want to. :confused:
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(Original post by itsConnor_)
Whilst you seem to be in the minority group of BTEC courses working in regards to your academic career, I fail to see how BTEC students have the same motivation to actually learn the content when they know they will never be tested on it and can simply Google it and dump it in their essays (do excuse my ignorance in regards to the BTEC assessment style).

I've seen countless BTEC students thrown onto BTEC courses after not having the grades to do their desired A-levels; how can you be motivated on courses you don't have a passion for?
In BTEC courses, there are units which are closely linked with alevel courses, like health and social care level 3 'equivalent to 3 Alevels' has Psychology and Sociology units, which cover a half of what has been tough in A levels. It's advised that you look at the units in the course and match it to what you wanted to do in A levels. Health and social care is good for people aspiring to become : nutritionists, therapists, psychologist, sociologist, forensic psychologist, nurses, midwives and so much more because of the various units. BTEC doesn't minimize your job options int he future, it expands it.
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BTEC is changing, from a person that's doing BTEC health and social care level 3 'who chose to do the course when I could've done A level with my GCSE'S'. My tutor teacher told me that previously, BTEC students would be able to redo their course work as much times as they like. Now, well in my sixth form, you can only try the assignment once, if you don't get it right the first time, the teacher would see if you were close to getting that grade, whether it be a pass, merit or distinction; If you aren't close to the grade, you would not be able to correct it, if you are, you can. Also, from what I've been hearing, they're now deciding if exams should be included in BTEC level 3 courses.

Additionally, Universities look at the grades you've got in the units you've done for BTEC students, for example, if you're applying for psychology and you're doing health and social care and you're predicted D*D*D*, the university would look at your 'Application of Psychology in H&SC' unit to see if you're suited to the university, along with the other units which are less equal to the importance of the Psychology unit.

BTEC isn't easy, as well as it's not extremely hard, you DON't just copy things of the Internet, you have to reference them and its put into a plagiarism checker. most of the questions in BTEC essays are made for you to use your own knowledge and what you've understood from class. The people that Didn't have a choice in doing BTEC due to poor previous grades and came out with D*D*D*, is due to determination not to mess up again, half the people in my class are being dropped before year 13 due to poor grades 'that says something'. At the end of the day, every type of education is important, from level 1 to alevels, be grateful that you're allowed education unlike unfortunate others in several countries, instead of looking down upon another.
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The only thing that annoys me is how someone going to college 3 days a week insists their level 3 BTEC is worth 4 A-levels that people go to sixth form 5 days a week for. I just can't take them seriously when they insist their level 3 sports science is worth 4 A-levels and therefore "better" than Maths, Physics and Chemistry A2 would be, even though it's easy to see these are much harder and more highly regarded.
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The only thing that annoys me is how someone going to college 3 days a week insists their level 3 BTEC is worth 4 A-levels that people go to sixth form 5 days a week for. I just can't take them seriously when they insist their level 3 sports science is worth 4 A-levels and therefore "better" than Maths, Physics and Chemistry A2 would be, even though it's easy to see these are much harder and more highly regarded.
Well maybe because there are BTEC course that require students to do placements which are part of a unit which covers two days which is WHY people do three days a week at college..


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The only thing that annoys me is how someone going to college 3 days a week insists their level 3 BTEC is worth 4 A-levels that people go to sixth form 5 days a week for. I just can't take them seriously when they insist their level 3 sports science is worth 4 A-levels and therefore "better" than Maths, Physics and Chemistry A2 would be, even though it's easy to see these are much harder and more highly regarded.
Firstly the largest BTEC qualification is equal to 3 A levels (not 4) also I think the ones who are in 3 days per week are ones with placement work, I did a Computing BTEC that was worth 3 A levels and I was in 5 days per week and had the same amount of weekly lessons as someone taking 3 A levels also the amount of expected independent work was the same as that of someone doing 3 A levels (5 hours per week per subject) so I was expected to do 15 and it was necessary to achieve the high grades that I did

Also comparing BTEC Sport to Maths, Physics and Chemistry isn't really fair you could compare 3 "soft" A levels like Media, Film and Business and say that they were the same but the majority of people wouldn't agree, however, if you compared BTEC Sport to A levels in PE, Sports Science and one other then that would be fair and if you compared the content of the courses you would probably see a lot of crossover, just like in my BTEC which covered everything from Computing and ICT A levels plus a lot more that neither of them 2 A levels touched on so seeing as I am now at uni studying Computer Science with the aim to work in the IT sector hopefully as a software engineer my BTEC was exactly right for me and better than taking 3 A levels
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My mate has done A-levels and got good grades A* to B in math, further maths, physics and chemistry. He then decided to change and did a btec level 3 extended diploma and says it is harder than A-levels, he also got into Warwick.You can't btec prepare you for skills which are actually useful, and university's like this.

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A-Levels are HARDER than Btec. It's simply a fact.

Something that I hate is that excellence scholarships are offered to Btec students with DDD and A-Level students with AAA. As if a Distinction is equivalent to an A in A-Level. An A is so much harder to obtain than Distinctions so that's not fair at all.

Should have done a **** Btec and got some extra money from it and still do the same course at the same University. What utter nonsense.
Disagree. I'm in my second year of a BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma in Applied Science and I would not say that it has been an easy subject. Everything we learn is A level standard, we get one chance to submit work and if you don't get it right you don't get the grades, the amount of coursework is mentally very draining and full on and they have even introduced exams as well. So I totally disagree that BTECs are the easy route you'd be very surprised at the level of work which is done in my class
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I think you need to stop comparing A level maths, chemistry and physics with sports science BTEC level 3, sure it has the word 'science' in it but it doesn't mean it has the same discipline, concepts and such. Just like computer science, as most of that has nothing to do with science but has more to do with networks, hardware, software and electronics.

A-levels are appreciated more by traditional russell group universities, so you A-level students out there should open up your mind a little, don't judge BTEC's unless you've done them yourself, I mean the higher level ones like Extended Diploma's and Higher National Diplomas.Whereas if all universities were so stringent as the russell group "red-brick" universities, the government (or education secretary) would commit to a complete overhaul of the BTEC, City&Guilds and the equivalent framework. There are many universities that outnumber the so-called elite that take in BTEC students openly, just that this forum consists mostly of high achievers who strive for nothing but success.
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