Everything we study in science is proof of His existence.
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- 19-02-2016 22:22
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- 19-02-2016 22:22
(Original post by KungPooPanda)
Well, who has brought forward any scientific proof that he DOESNT exist? If your going to ask one question, you may as-well ask it both ways
If i made a thread asking this question, it would probably just mirror this thread
Again, what proof are you seeking? You want pictures? An interview with him on BBC? Postcards to come through your door from him?
And if god did exist, who made god. And that is a reductio ad absurdum waiting to happen. -
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- 19-02-2016 22:23
(Original post by pvaz6965)
You are going off on a confused tangent here. Go back and read the post of yours I replied to. And then try again.
By the way, I am not some kid on here doing my GCSE's - I am a professional scientist. A real one, not a medical doctor or a psychologist.
And why do i need to go back and read the post? Im asking you here and now to explain what you are trying to say?
Yes, personal anecdotes hold no water, bla bla, yes, me telling you a story doesn't prove or show anything, Yes, there could be a million things that factor into a 'story' i know that, everyone know's that, most people also know that anecdotes can be used to portray a scenario when you are trying to say something, have you ever heard of "e.g" -
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- 19-02-2016 22:23
(Original post by yasminkattan)
Everything we study in science is proof of His existence. -
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- 19-02-2016 22:27
(Original post by KungPooPanda)
A professional scientist can be someone who works in a Lab with a Bachelors, So please lolAnd why do i need to go back and read the post? -
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- 19-02-2016 22:31
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This has been debunked countless times. -
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- 19-02-2016 22:37
(Original post by yasminkattan)
Debunked by who? What makes them so trustworthy? You could "debunk" anything if you were so keen on trying to belittle it. -
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- 19-02-2016 22:43
(Original post by pvaz6965)
PhD (Astrophysics), thirty years experience.Because you have lost your train of thought it seems.Let me restate something about your anecdote. Isn't it far more likely the 0%'s you mentioned were a misdiagnosis than a divine being with no evidence for his/her existence personally intervened?
If i had brought forward a documented case, a 'miracle' so to speak, that science DID NOT have an answer for, how would you have also picked that apart? Would your 30 years of experience make you more qualified to tell us why these miracles happened? More qualified than previous 'experts' who had also looked at these events? Or would you have simply had no choice but to go with ' urhm, well '
Picking apart an anecdote that is being used to give an example, context, imagery, is childish, its the kind of thing i expect a kid to
A mature person would have seen what was being said, and would have understood the message behind it:
There are extraordinary events and documented cases that (evidence would suggest) CANNOT be explained by science, and therefore are dubbed as 'miracles' (gods work) OR scientific anomalies - which effectively destroy's the god argument and leaves no room open to the idea that there is a God, and he does intervene on this earth and causes random and amazing (or horrible..) things to happen.
A Mature person would NOT have based their argument off the fact that 'oh, but in YOUR story (that isn't even real), isnt it possible that...' -> WHATS THE POINT? If you KNOW that the anecdote is being used as an example, then your clearly being argumentative for no reason, unless of course your stance is to say 'that TYPE of stuff' CAN be explained', which is fine, thats your right, but in that case i would simply say, so explain them then? Tell me something that only you know that the rest of them clearly didn't know?
If you cant explain them, no, it doesnt mean there is a God, but if you CANT explain them, then HOW can you be CERTAIN that there is no God? -
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- 19-02-2016 22:49
(Original post by KungPooPanda)
Yes, and as i originally said, you were trying to be clever for no reason,
If i had brought forward a documented case, a 'miracle' so to speak, that science DID NOT have an answer for, how would you have also picked that apart? Would your 30 years of experience make you more qualified to tell us why these miracles happened? More qualified than previous 'experts' who had also looked at these events? Or would you have simply had no choice but to go with ' urhm, well '
Picking apart an anecdote that is being used to give an example, context, imagery, is childish, its the kind of thing i expect a kid to
There are extraordinary events and documented cases that (evidence would suggest) CANNOT be explained by science, and therefore are dubbed as 'miracles' (gods work) OR scientific anomalies - which effectively destroy's the god argument and leaves no room open to the idea that there is a God, and he does intervene on this earth and causes random and amazing (or horrible..) things to happen.
If you cant explain them, no, it doesnt mean there is a God, but if you CANT explain them, then HOW can you be CERTAIN that there is no God? -
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- 19-02-2016 22:54
(Original post by pvaz6965)
One should not need a reason to be clever. One is clever or one isn't. I happen to be such a one.
You can't bring one up because there is no such thing as a miracle. You can bring hand wavy anecdotes like you did up but they are worthless to examination by their very nature.
No the childish thing is providing such rubbish to begin with.
Except no one ever manages to bring such a thing up that is not unexplained except do to its very tenuous evidences or observation.
You haven't provided anything of note. Look, I can tell that you aren't educated to a high level but you should really stop digging holes.
Anyway, I look forward in the future to hearing about all the unexplainable things that only YOU will come to explain, I look forward to you being the one who solves 'all' the medical mysteries out there and will eventually bring a stop to all the fool's who believe that 'miracles' are actually just, random acts of science -
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- 19-02-2016 22:59
(Original post by KungPooPanda)
"There is no such thing as a miracle" was pretty much all i needed to hear to know i'm talking to someone who probably isn't a professional with 30 years experience, but a kid behind a screen who probably just hates the idea of there being a God.
Anyway, I look forward in the future to hearing about all the unexplainable things that only YOU will come to explain, I look forward to you being the one who solves 'all' the medical mysteries out there and will eventually bring a stop to all the fool's who believe that 'miracles' are actually just, random acts of science
All you are doing is the time honoured appeal from personal incredulity. Gosh, darn - I can't understand it therefore it must be god.
There are many things that were formerly unexplained and not a single one needed an appeal to an invisible sky fairy when all was said and done. And it far more likely than not the currently unexplained doesn't. And you bring things up that are unexplained just because they are so ill posed or lacking in observation as to be pointless to even discuss.
As someone has said - it is like god lives under a stone - there used to be so many for him/her to hide under - but as we discover and look under those stones and understand them - there are less and less stones for god to hide under. Yep - your god - the ever shrinking, running out of places to hide god.Last edited by pvaz6965; 19-02-2016 at 23:01. -
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- 19-02-2016 23:02
(Original post by KungPooPanda)
Well, who has brought forward any scientific proof that he DOESNT exist? If your going to ask one question, you may as-well ask it both ways
If i made a thread asking this question, it would probably just mirror this thread
Again, what proof are you seeking? You want pictures? An interview with him on BBC? Postcards to come through your door from him?
In several places throughout this thread there has been scientific theory explained and explored in detail by those who study the subject, with the purpose of demonstrating that science does actually offer an explanation that often effortlessly excludes God, not always though.
Now we are asking for the religious to put forward physical evidence that suggests divine interaction, or is so full of holes , or is so suspiciously perfect that a divine being is implicated. -
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Now we are asking for the religious to put forward physical evidence that suggests divine interaction, or is so full of holes , or is so suspiciously perfect that a divine being is implicated. -
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- 19-02-2016 23:08
(Original post by pvaz6965)
One should not need a reason to be clever. One is clever or one isn't. I happen to be such a one.
You can't bring one up because there is no such thing as a miracle. You can bring hand wavy anecdotes like you did up but they are worthless to examination by their very nature.
No the childish thing is providing such rubbish to begin with.
Except no one ever manages to bring such a thing up that is not unexplained except do to its very tenuous evidences or observation.
You haven't provided anything of note. Look, I can tell that you aren't educated to a high level but you should really stop digging holes. -
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- 19-02-2016 23:16
(Original post by pvaz6965)
You will be waiting the rest of your life. Such a thing never has been done. By Bayesian inference alone you should think it is not like to happen.
Scientific advancement explained + probability theory = God appears to be being squeezed out of existence quite literally.
My knowledge of probability is back of postage stamp stuff....for now....but I liked your response a lot -
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I think you have one rep from me...though tbh I have tried to rep all your posts multiple times, it just won't let me.
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(Original post by leavingthecity)
^^^^^^this is what this thread needs!
Scientific advancement explained + probability theory = God appears to be being squeezed out of existence quite literally.
My knowledge of probability is back of postage stamp stuff....for now....but I liked your response a lot
As someone has said - it is like god lives under a stone - there used to be so many for him/her to hide under - but as we discover and look under those stones and understand them - there are less and less stones for god to hide under. Yep - your god - the ever shrinking, running out of places to hide god. -
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- 19-02-2016 23:27
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- 19-02-2016 23:29
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That's what PRSOM is for. If you've already repped them then just quote them and type PRSOM.
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