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    (Original post by Bryci)
    Brexiters showing Logic? come on man
    We have logic!!!!!! For goodness sakes!!!!! You gullible sheep!!!!!
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    (Original post by NekoAngel13)
    We can have more beneficial trade with Asia without EU charges.
    There's no such thing as "EU charges". Tariffs with non-EU countries will still exist if we leave the EU and trade deals will have to be negotiated, as they would have to be anyway.

    We have free trade with South Korea already and deals with Vietnam and Singapore both finalised as part of our EU membership. So if we leave we'll actually be in a worse position in Asia as these deals will no longer apply to us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements
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    (Original post by eminkinza)
    im with BornBlue i want to remain
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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    (Original post by cookie123456789)
    We have logic!!!!!! For goodness sakes!!!!! You gullible sheep!!!!!
    Haven't shown any yet?
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    You didn't even state anything act to argue against.

    "the EU's structure and it's many failings/failures is not some big secret or conspiracy" is not an argument.

    Your entire post was an appeal to emotion with "google it yourself"
    Psychological deflection mechanism, because the thought you could have chosen the wrong option is very uncomfortable.

    And it wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was an appeal to reason and logic. But again a defensive mechanism, quite natural.

    I can't do your research for you, here's a few links to get you going:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/gl.../criticism-eu/

    http://econ.economicshelp.org/2008/0...with-euro.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union#Governance

    That's 4 links in a minute's googling.

    Do your own research. Be aware of confirmation bias. Try and open your mind as much as you can, ignore propaganda from either side. then decide. If you already have then so be it, if you've decided on Remain while fully aware of the issues then so be it, and if you by some chance swing to Brexit then that's fine by me.

    Just drop the mud-slinging, projecting and calling it a victory, when it's pure self-defeat.

    Have a happy polling day.
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    (Original post by Bryci)
    Haven't shown any yet?
    It amazes me that you haven't even seen the a brexit logic yet? You've been brainwashed by the government's remain propaganda. What is the bloody point of this bloody referendum if people like you who are gullible and foolish vote remain?! What a waste of a vote. Have you not seen the debates on TV?!? Isn't it clear that the remain campaigners are all liers!? The Brexiters have only ever told the truth but oh no, people don't like the truth!!!!?!?!
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)

    Have a happy polling day.
    Oh man what a ****. Such a condescending arse :rofl:
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    (Original post by Bryci)
    Haven't shown any yet?
    You want facts? Ok.



    'Why do Leave voters think they know better than experts?

    Because these 'experts' were wrong about the Gold standard, they were wrong about the single market when the intention all along was ever closer political union and they were wrong about the Euro.

    They were wrong then and they are wrong now!

    If UK leaves the EU, EU will collapse. Cos UK is essentially financing the entire EU with the strong £ against the failed €. Do you recall the George Osbourne tax rebate fiasco from 2 years ago? EU slapped a £1.7 billion on UK but Cameron vowed that he would not pay it. What happened in the end? UK still paid up and did so quietly.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29751124
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...u-budget-bill/
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...n-budget-bill/
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ember-deadline
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...happening.html

    Yesterday, the German finance minister said he would cry if UK voted Brexit. Of course he would! Cos UK is the one funding the EU and Germany gets to dictate who gets the money and what to do with it.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-referendum
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...718_story.html
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6909616.html

    Please understand that Germany controls the EU and dictates to the other member states when to stand up and when to sit down. France is her close ally despite their colourful history.

    If UK leaves, then the other poorer member states would want to follow suit. Do you recall last year when EU forced Greece to accept a humongous financial bailout which EU knew Greece would never be able to repay back cos the interests were just too high? and the greek banks allowed its citizens to withdraw only €120 per week? When this news first broke out in Greece, its citizens queued up outside the bank to withdraw their monies but the banks were shut. Do you recall this man who cried outside the bank and this image went viral?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing-man-banks/




    If UK leaves then many EU citizens working in the UK and living off benefits will have to return back to their home countries. These EU citizens based in UK, don't want this to happen because UK is the only country in EU that offers such amazing benefits.

    Many of the lecturers in the UK unis are also against Brexit because if UK pulls out of it then these lecturers will have to return back to their home countries and re-apply via a work permit system. So far nothing unusual? The catch here is that these lecturers of EU origin will have to compete for lecturing jobs with equally abled or far better lecturers from New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. This is the reason why many lecturers have been writing articles and blogs online to plead with UK citizens to vote in their favour. How selfish!

    If you have studied politics at A-level or at uni, depending on who your lecturer is and which textbook you're reading, you will know that ever since UK joined the EU, she has given away her sovereignty to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Luxembourg. I can't help but wonder why UK still needs a Supreme Court when its no longer supreme and a British parliament when it's no longer sovereign?

    Do you know that millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country? But Tony Blair let these millions of soldier died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.

    I'm German. As you know, many migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

    This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

    You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.



    You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

    Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

    Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

    With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.


    And if you go onto the Oxbridge threads on this forum and some of the other top UK unis, you will see a growing number of EU students who simply want UK to stay in the EU so that they can apply for student loans because without it they will not be able to study in these top unis. Their main priority is to get the funding and get a place at these tops unis.

    So you must be wondering whats wrong with that? Well, a growing number of EU students simply take these loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans and the British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

    The money you send to EU can be used to invest in your NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, increase their salaries which should apply to teachers and junior doctors too, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more.

    Vote Leave!

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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
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    Naveed the master copy paster xoxox
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
    Psychological deflection mechanism, because the thought you could have chosen the wrong option is very uncomfortable.

    And it wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was an appeal to reason and logic. But again a defensive mechanism, quite natural.

    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/gl.../criticism-eu/
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    Well, let's start with this link.

    I agree that CAP is a waste. Having said that, we will have to pay for subsidies in a Brexit.

    Number 2, 3, and 4 don't really have anything to do with the UK.

    We have a very low unemployment rate because we have one of the most flexible labour markets in the world. The fact the French are inflexible is their own issue.

    3 and 4 are specifically related to the Euro, which we are not a part of.
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    In obv
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    (Original post by TheLittlestElf)
    Oh man what a ****. Such a condescending arse :rofl:
    Asking you to think for yourself, do a bit of research about important politics and to serve your public image by not resorting to childish insults and attitude is actually as far from condescension as it gets but hey, haters gonna hate.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Leave

    Bremainers' berating of us is starting to get more annoying here now - I have never insulted anyone for wanting to remain, so I think it should be a 2 way street for those of us that conduct ourselves with dignity.
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    (Original post by ChargingStag)
    Leave

    Bremainers' berating of us is starting to get more annoying here now - I have never insulted anyone for wanting to remain, so I think it should be a 2 way street for those of us that conduct ourselves with dignity.
    Well, I completely agree. I think most of us have been cordial with others.

    I am sure there are others on the Leave side that can be accused of similar.
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    Naveed-7


    Here's a fact.

    The experts weren't unanimous about the Euro. The Treasury's findings were against it and the government followed their advice.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, I completely agree. I think most of us have been cordial with others.

    I am sure there are others on the Leave side that can be accused of similar.
    Absolutely agreed, it's a shame. And sorry if it has been pretty tame here, I just came from a thread where the insults towards leave were thrown needlessly right from the bat so it hasn't been a great start...
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    (Original post by cookie123456789)
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    wat???
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
    Psychological deflection mechanism, because the thought you could have chosen the wrong option is very uncomfortable.

    And it wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was an appeal to reason and logic. But again a defensive mechanism, quite natural.

    I can't do your research for you, here's a few links to get you going:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/gl.../criticism-eu/

    http://econ.economicshelp.org/2008/0...with-euro.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union#Governance

    That's 4 links in a minute's googling.

    Do your own research. Be aware of confirmation bias. Try and open your mind as much as you can, ignore propaganda from either side. then decide. If you already have then so be it, if you've decided on Remain while fully aware of the issues then so be it, and if you by some chance swing to Brexit then that's fine by me.

    Just drop the mud-slinging, projecting and calling it a victory, when it's pure self-defeat.

    Have a happy polling day.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    There's no such thing as "EU charges". Tariffs with non-EU countries will still exist if we leave the EU and trade deals will have to be negotiated, as they would have to be anyway.

    We have free trade with South Korea already and deals with Vietnam and Singapore both finalised as part of our EU membership. So if we leave we'll actually be in a worse position in Asia as these deals will no longer apply to us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements
 
 
 
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