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    It increasingly looks like the suspect had links to at least two far-right organisations, as The Independent and the IB Times report.

    He may also have been mentally ill, but the two aren't mutually exclusive - rhetoric like that we've seen and heard in this EU referendum campaign can be a trigger; it can literally push someone to breaking point. The numerous peaceful rightwing and far-rightwing people, whilst have nothing directly to do with this attack need to take a hard look at how they've been conducting themselves and the toxic atmosphere that they've been creating.

    As Alex Massie writes in the conservative magazine The Spectator:

    The mask – the pawky, gin o’clock, you know what I mean, mask – didn’t slip because there was no mask at all. BREAKING POINT, it screamed above a queue of dusky-hued refugees waiting to cross a border. The message was not very subtle: Vote Leave, Britain, or be over-run by brown people. Take control. Take back our country. You know what I mean, don’t you: If you want a Turk – or a Syrian – for a neighbour, vote Remain. Simple. Common sense. Innit?

    ...When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’

    When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.

    Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen.
    We need to be vigilant. Right-wing extremist terrorism, in the United States, is a bigger threat than jihadi terrorism. and whilst I've never been able to conceive of nativist, nationalist hysteria gripping Britain as it has done the United States throughout its history, this referendum campaign has made me think twice.

    Farage's poster is despicable, and mirrors that of Nazi propaganda. We have Brexit-supporting England fans shouting disgusting slogans and causing havoc with violence in France. And now we've potentially seen an MP who, as the article says, was the very antithesis of this kind of politics, killed for her political views. The rage against politicians has gone too far, as the numerous threats to numerous MPs demonstrates by itself.

    Her husband was absolutely right: we need to confront the hatred on display in Britain today. And Jo Cox was absolutely right: we need to fight for a better world, and think about humanity as a whole; let's not be narrow, insular and have a "Britain first" mindset.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    It increasingly looks like the suspect had links to at least two far-right organisations, as The Independent and the IB Times report.

    He may also have been mentally ill, but the two aren't mutually exclusive - rhetoric like that we've seen and heard in this EU referendum campaign can be a trigger; it can literally push someone to breaking point. The numerous peaceful rightwing and far-rightwing people, whilst have nothing directly to do with this attack need to take a hard look at how they've been conducting themselves and the toxic atmosphere that they've been creating.

    As Alex Massie writes in the conservative magazine The Spectator:



    We need to be vigilant. Right-wing extremism, in the United States, is a bigger threat than jihadi terrorism. and whilst I've never been able to conceive of nativist, nationalist hysteria gripping Britain as it has done the United States throughout its history, this referendum campaign has made me think twice.

    Farage's poster is despicable, and mirrors that of Nazi propaganda. We have Brexit-supporting England fans shouting disgusting slogans and causing havoc with violence in France. And now we've potentially seen an MP who, as the article says, was the very antithesis of this kind of politics, killed for her political views. The rage against politicians has gone too far, as the numerous threats to numerous MPs demonstrates by itself.

    Her husband was absolutely right: we need to confront the hatred on display in Britain today. And Jo Cox was absolutely right: we need to fight for a better world, and think about humanity as a whole; let's not be narrow, insular and have a "Britain first" mindset.
    Lefties create their own toxic atmosphere, calling anyone that doesn't agree with them a bigot or racist, flooding the labour market, ignoring mass rapes ect. Yeah it's already confronted by calling anyone that doesn't agree with them a fascist. I don't know how this man got a gun, we should ban guns!, but wait, we have a pistol ban, it's almost as if these criminals don't care about the law!!
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    (Original post by Conservationofmass)
    Who gives a **** about her, she doesn't represent common people and is just a ****
    She got straight out of university from Cambridge, then worked as an MP assistant, then became an MP(funny that, career politician) oh and is a nampy pampy that worked for charities.
    So the ***** never had a proper ****ing job in her life, and then has the cheek to campaign to stay in the EU, protest against fisher men whose lives have been ****ed over by it, so she can feel good about herself, ahh supporting an institution and union that doesn't represent the working class. I couldn't give less of a rats ass about her. Don't see why people care. So she claimed to be working for the people, and then supported policies and a party which simply doesn't. I bet it comes out the bloke that murdered her asked for help of some form, and she said *******s to it, I'd bet money on it. You know what the pant wetting liberals are like.
    Let's just add a little more of Alex Massie's blog

    "Sad doesn’t begin to cover it. This is worse, much worse, than just sad. This is a day of infamy, a day in which we should all feel angry and ashamed. Because if you don’t feel a little ashamed – if you don’t feel sick, right now, wherever you are reading this – then something’s gone wrong with you somewhere."
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    (Original post by Conservationofmass)
    Who gives a **** about her, she doesn't represent common people and is just a ****
    She got straight out of university from Cambridge, then worked as an MP assistant, then became an MP(funny that, career politician) oh and is a nampy pampy that worked for charities.
    So the ***** never had a proper ****ing job in her life, and then has the cheek to campaign to stay in the EU, protest against fisher men whose lives have been ****ed over by it, so she can feel good about herself, ahh supporting an institution and union that doesn't represent the working class. I couldn't give less of a rats ass about her. Don't see why people care. So she claimed to be working for the people, and then supported policies and a party which simply doesn't. I bet it comes out the bloke that murdered her asked for help of some form, and she said *******s to it, I'd bet money on it. You know what the pant wetting liberals are like.
    Utterly disgusting comment, up there with the rightwing loons who think this was a false flag perpetrated by the Remain campaign. Your comment scares me, and just proves what I've said above: it's been drilled into you that this is life and death for the country, and so you make the kind of despicable comments that you've just made.

    (Original post by Conservationofmass)
    Lefties create their own toxic atmosphere, calling anyone that doesn't agree with them a bigot or racist, flooding the labour market, ignoring mass rapes ect. Yeah it's already confronted by calling anyone that doesn't agree with them a fascist. I don't know how this man got a gun, we should ban guns!, but wait, we have a pistol ban, it's almost as if these criminals don't care about the law!!
    And the post you've just made isn't bigoted? You've just said that you don't care that someone was killed because she disagreed with you politically.

    Sorry, I'm sick of people like you: you can't hide behind the "I'm not a bigot, I'm just expressing legitimate concerns" nonsense anymore. You're doing much more than that, and you know it. Trump goes a lot further than simply saying "I'm concerned about immigration". Farage goes a lot further than that. Brexit-supporting England fans causing havoc in France go a lot further than that.

    Now, I happen to agree that calling all the peaceful people with these concerns racists and fascists is wrong (though some of them are racists and fascists) and also contributes to a toxic political atmosphere (even if I think that these concerns are utterly misguided given that immigration barely has any negative effect on the labour market for even low-skilled natives), but I'm afraid that the kind of disgusting campaigning going on by many of the Brexiteers has nothing to do with that - they would have done it with or without the so-called "provocation" from the Left.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    Utterly disgusting comment, up there with the rightwing loons who think this was a false flag perpetrated by the Remain campaign. Your comment scares me, and just proves what I've said above: it's been drilled into you that this is life and death for the country, and so you make the kind of despicable comments that you've just made.



    And the post you've just made isn't bigoted? You've just said that you don't care that someone was killed because she disagreed with you politically.

    Sorry, I'm sick of people like you: you can't hide behind the "I'm not a bigot, I'm just expressing legitimate concerns" nonsense anymore. You're doing much more than that, and you know it.

    Now, I happen to agree that calling the peaceful people with these concerns racists and fascists is wrong and also contributes to a toxic political atmosphere (even if I think that these concerns are utterly misguided given that immigration barely has any negative effect on the labour market for even low-skilled natives), but I'm afraid that the kind of disgusting campaigning going on by many of the Brexiteers has nothing to do with that - they would have done it with or without the so-called "provocation" from the Left.
    I've been in favour of leaving the EU before the Referendum and I recognize my life will be better OUT, you're making some assertion which is false, I study economics for a start... I believe the referendum campaign has been very poorly done anyway, I research stuff myself and look at what's going around me rather than reading media pieces. No but people can't call me the bigot if they're themselves...
    No I don't care at all, I only feel sorry for the children,she's a politician, there's no reason why I should care. My argument isn't that I am not a bigot, but rather left wingers complain about bigotry, and attempt to shut up any debate of things they don't like, with the word bigot, which is hypocritical as ****.(Not that I am saying I am a bigot).
    Well I can tell you the labour market is very much effected, my father who's a carpenter, earned 600 pounds in the 1990's a week, he is lucky to earn that now.. Tradesmen are effected quite a lot, even though it's a skilled job. Most people that aren't are in the cozy financial sector or public sector pricks. Or mps....
    Politicians are unpatriotic sacks of **** that sell this country economically and culturally down the river for personal gain, and most have never had a proper job and **** over the common people, so why would I care about them?.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Let's just add a little more of Alex Massie's blog

    "Sad doesn’t begin to cover it. This is worse, much worse, than just sad. This is a day of infamy, a day in which we should all feel angry and ashamed. Because if you don’t feel a little ashamed – if you don’t feel sick, right now, wherever you are reading this – then something’s gone wrong with you somewhere."
    People I don't know are murdered all the time, only reason it's news is because she's some politician. Why would I care about a politician who supports policies that negatively affect me, I'd be a moron to do that.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    Utterly disgusting comment, up there with the rightwing loons who think this was a false flag perpetrated by the Remain campaign. Your comment scares me, and just proves what I've said above: it's been drilled into you that this is life and death for the country, and so you make the kind of despicable comments that you've just made.



    And the post you've just made isn't bigoted? You've just said that you don't care that someone was killed because she disagreed with you politically.

    Sorry, I'm sick of people like you: you can't hide behind the "I'm not a bigot, I'm just expressing legitimate concerns" nonsense anymore. You're doing much more than that, and you know it. Trump goes a lot further than simply saying "I'm concerned about immigration". Farage goes a lot further than that. Brexit-supporting England fans causing havoc in France go a lot further than that.

    Now, I happen to agree that calling all the peaceful people with these concerns racists and fascists is wrong (though some of them are racists and fascists) and also contributes to a toxic political atmosphere (even if I think that these concerns are utterly misguided given that immigration barely has any negative effect on the labour market for even low-skilled natives), but I'm afraid that the kind of disgusting campaigning going on by many of the Brexiteers has nothing to do with that - they would have done it with or without the so-called "provocation" from the Left.
    Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I have 2 exams this afternoon and haven't been to sleep.
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    People need to stop saying it's all speculation that his motives were political, that he met her by accident, that there was a tussle and he didn't intend to kill her, etc, etc.

    Here are the latest summary of witnesses and they fully contradict all of the above assertions. In fact, they clearly show that he was waiting to attack her, that he viciously and directly and repeatedly attacked her and several witnesses now confirm that he was yelling "Britain First", a clear far-Right slogan.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...loral-tributes
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    A shopkeeper has claimed that no one shouted “Britain first” as Jo Cox was killed.

    https://twitter.com/Paulsmithdeco/status/743714773699747840/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    People need to stop saying it's all speculation that his motives were political, that he met her by accident, that there was a tussle and he didn't intend to kill her, etc, etc.

    Here are the latest summary of witnesses and they fully contradict all of the above assertions. In fact, they clearly show that he was waiting to attack her, that he viciously and directly and repeatedly attacked her and several witnesses now confirm that he was yelling "Britain First", a clear far-Right slogan.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...loral-tributes
    Of course you fail to mention he's batshit crazy.
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    (Original post by Conservationofmass)
    Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I have 2 exams this afternoon and haven't been to sleep.
    Shouldn't you be revising rather than writing abuse about a dead MP on here?

    I do actually think there's some hypocrisy on both sides; it certainly appears that this man was deranged & at least partially influenced by far right propaganda. I believe the Florida gunman was in a similar state, the difference being that it was extreme Islam that twisted his mind. It's easy to blame the whole right for this just as it is easy to blame Islam as a whole for the shooting in Orlando. That doesn't make it correct; several million people voted for UKIP in the last election & don't go around murdering left wing politicians & immigrants just as very few Muslims in the UK commit terrorist attacks.

    Deep down, I believe far right militants & Islamic militants are cut from the same cloth; both are happy to use violence against their opponents, both dismiss other moderate views (they see you as either with them or against them), & both believe that they & others who share the same beliefs are superior to everyone else. They're bloody muppets the lot of them.

    RIP to Jo Cox .
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    (Original post by Tempest II)
    Shouldn't you be revising rather than writing abuse about a dead MP on here?

    I do actually think there's some hypocrisy on both sides; it certainly appears that this man was deranged & at least partially influenced by far right propaganda. I believe the Florida gunman was in a similar state, the difference being that it was extreme Islam that twisted his mind. It's easy to blame the whole right for this just as it is easy to blame Islam as a whole for the shooting in Orlando. That doesn't make it correct; several million people voted for UKIP in the last election & don't go around murdering left wing politicians & immigrants just as very few Muslims in the UK commit terrorist attacks.

    Deep down, I believe far right militants & Islamic militants are cut from the same cloth; both are happy to use violence against their opponents, both dismiss other moderate views (they see you as either with them or against them), & both believe that they & others who share the same beliefs are superior to everyone else. They're bloody muppets the lot of them.

    RIP to Jo Cox .
    Break, been revising all night mate
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    Of course you fail to mention he's batshit crazy.
    Far right, batshit crazy same thing isn't it, or did you mean the OCD?
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    (Original post by hovado)
    Far right, batshit crazy same thing isn't it, or did you mean the OCD?
    Hate to break it to you, but he was suffering from far more than OCD.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Well, Daily Mail is saying a Sawn off shotgun.

    Tbh, it is pretty hard to make a gun at home unless you have certain equipment.
    I'm pretty sure the reports said 3 shots were fired. Sawn off generally only carries 2.

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    wow, 28 pages of people arguing smh
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    Of course you fail to mention he's batshit crazy.
    Many of us regard members of the far right as pretty bonkers by default.

    I can't see what difference it makes and anyway he seems from all reports so far to have been someone functioning reasonably OK in society, he had a job, etc.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Many of us regard members of the far right as pretty bonkers by default.

    I can't see what difference it makes and anyway he seems from all reports so far to have been someone functioning reasonably OK in society, he had a job, etc.
    I'm of course referring to psychosis here.

    He was being treated for mental instability, as far as reports suggest, he could've had an episode(?).
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    (Original post by Tempest II)

    Deep down, I believe far right militants & Islamic militants are cut from the same cloth; both are happy to use violence against their opponents, both dismiss other moderate views (they see you as either with them or against them), & both believe that they & others who share the same beliefs are superior to everyone else. They're bloody muppets the lot of them.

    RIP to Jo Cox .
    This is obviously right and they feed off each other's nihilistic pseudo-religious hate and cult of violence agendas.

    Far more worrying are the supposedly 'mainstream' politicians like Gove, Duncan-Smith, Johnson and Farage who appear hell bent on uncritically accepting the bigoted, lying anti-immigrant agendas created by these fringe groups and spouting them out, aided by far right people in fake-respectable roles served up to the media, like the unctuous liars in Migration Watch.

    The same kinds of things went on in Weimar Germany.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Many of us regard members of the far right as pretty bonkers by default.

    I can't see what difference it makes and anyway he seems from all reports so far to have been someone functioning reasonably OK in society, he had a job, etc.
    deep. very deep.
 
 
 
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