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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Yep, and lots of kids too. You just put a valid postcode in. There's probably around 600,000 genuine signatures.
    So since you are disputing the petition result to doubly check I guess you are in favour of a SNAP election.... If you are so certain that you are correct a SNAP election will clarify it and everyone will be happy - including yourself.

    We all agree - CALL AN ELECTION TO CLARIFY SITUATION BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE THAT CANNOT BE UNDONE...

    Sign the petition, and email your MP and opposition parties.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    More interviews on news sites in from around the country on why people voted Leave.

    In Sheffield, the BBC interviewed numerous working class people, for example, market traders. The consensus was that they hadn't expected a Leave vote to actually mean leave would happen.

    Ebbw Vale voted Leave (despite having the biggest EU regional aid in the country) mainly (according to the Guardian this morning) because "we don't like the government". As in many other working class areas, the vote was wrongly seen as a referendum on Cameron and Osborne. The people in these areas who voted Leave are going to find out soon that the alternatives are much, much worse.

    In parts of the Home Counties, according to reports on Radio 4 yesterday, voters thought we were under direct rule from Brussels. "We got rid of the Germans controlling our taxes", was one comment. Voters in many areas with no immigrant presence said that immigration was their chief concern. UKIP has clearly officialised racism and made it broadly acceptable, especially in traditional Tory and rural areas.

    Some Leave voters in Manchester, according to the Manchester Evening News, did not in some cases realise we were voting to leave Europe, they thought the vote was something to do with the football according to one report.
    Lmao when will you stop
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    Euronews seems to know something we don't - according to their reporter in Brussels right now, the UK flag will no longer be flying outside the Barleymont "two years from now".
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    Do not hate me, but I really question whether for this referendum our current method of "democracy" was effective, or in fact appropriate. I have a few issues with it:

    1) For such a long term decision, that will affect future generations and lives, not just a 4/5 yr period. How fair is it that a 92 yr old vote has the same weight as a 21 yr olds vote? The 21 yr old will live longer with the decision, it was significantly affect their prospects, their opportunities etc. Whilst, lets be honest, the 92yr old very likely doesn't have that long to live, and the vote will have little impact on their lives.
    I am not saying they shouldn't vote, but how can theirs possibly be equal to a 21 yr olds?

    2) Informed decision. As a medical student we are always learning about the importance of an "informed decision". A patient cannot consent to surgery for example, if they are not fully aware of the facts, the pro, the cons and the risk with opting in or opting out. You have to check do they understand, can they say it back to you?
    And yet with this referendum, was the electorate properly educated? Did they truly know the weight of their decision? How is it such a decision can be given to people without ensuring they know everything?
    Reading Daily Mail for a bit, does not equal informed.
    Whilst i can understand the notion power to the people, should such a decision really be given to so many ignorant (in terms of the facts)?

    3) Capacity. "the ability to use and understand info to make a decision, and communicate any decision made". Whilst on work experience there was an 87yr old with reduced capacity, he could speak etc, but never the less his capacity was reduced. He wasn't trusted to make the decision to consent to surgery, someone else had to make that decision for him. That wasn't done to spite him, that was done for his best interests, to safeguard him.
    And yet that 87yr old was eligible to vote?

    How is it he cant be trusted with making a decision on his own health? But he trusted to vote on the future of this country?
    (Original post by Abstract_Prism)
    Democracy is not a mouldable lump of clay that suits individual preferences; one cannot refute a democratic mandate, just as one cannot refute a test confirming HIV. Democratic mandates should be as immovable as mountains, else people’s cries become the sways of grass in a gale.
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    (Original post by Realityspeaks)
    Do not hate me, but I really question whether for this referendum our current method of "democracy" was effective, or in fact appropriate. I have a few issues with it:

    1) For such a long term decision, that will affect future generations and lives, not just a 4/5 yr period. How fair is it that a 92 yr old vote has the same weight as a 21 yr olds vote? The 21 yr old will live longer with the decision, it was significantly affect their prospects, their opportunities etc. Whilst, lets be honest, the 92yr old very likely doesn't have that long to live, and the vote will have little impact on their lives.
    I am not saying they shouldn't vote, but how can theirs possibly be equal to a 21 yr olds?

    2) Informed decision. As a medical student we are always learning about the importance of an "informed decision". A patient cannot consent to surgery for example, if they are not fully aware of the facts, the pro, the cons and the risk with opting in or opting out. You have to check do they understand, can they say it back to you?
    And yet with this referendum, was the electorate properly educated? Did they truly know the weight of their decision? How is it such a decision can be given to people without ensuring they know everything?
    Reading Daily Mail for a bit, does not equal informed.
    Whilst i can understand the notion power to the people, should such a decision really be given to so many ignorant (in terms of the facts)?

    3) Capacity. "the ability to use and understand info to make a decision, and communicate any decision made". Whilst on work experience there was an 87yr old with reduced capacity, he could speak etc, but never the less his capacity was reduced. He wasn't trusted to make the decision to consent to surgery, someone else had to make that decision for him. That wasn't done to spite him, that was done for his best interests, to safeguard him.
    And yet that 87yr old was eligible to vote?

    How is it he cant be trusted with making a decision on his own health? But he trusted to vote on the future of this country?
    So it seems the remain supporters want to remain so badly that they are willing to sacrifice democracy to do so.
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    So many people en masse seemed to have voted without thinking - i think a second referendum is not undemocratic, given that the situation has changed drastically. We have no PM, no EU commissioner, Labour are squabbling.

    Leave can only work if we have good governance. Considering our politicians are jumping ship, the situation HAS changed, so hold another vote. Or simply don't trigger the leave article.
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    open this in a new window to zoom in :rofl:

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    (Original post by Doctor_Einstein)
    So it seems the remain supporters want to remain so badly that they are willing to sacrifice democracy to do so.
    I'm not willing to sacrifice democracy, i am merely saying there are some quite significant issues with the current method, especially with such big things such a referendum on the EU.
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    To be honest...

    We live in a shambles of a democracy where we vote in people based on their policies -- that they can immediately change and backtrack on. Which they do. A lot. Take Farage and his NHS bus for starters.

    So them not triggering the leaving article would be in poor taste but hardly against the norm.
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    So many people en masse seemed to have voted without thinking - i think a second referendum is not undemocratic, given that the situation has changed drastically. We have no PM, no EU commissioner, Labour are squabbling.

    Leave can only work if we have good governance. Considering our politicians are jumping ship, the situation HAS changed, so hold another vote. Or simply don't trigger the leave article.
    Best of 3 or next one wins and round one was practice?
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    let's put an end to this madness... Boris and Angela Merkel should be summoned to Normandy to play Rock Paper Scissors on Sword Beach.
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    14,000 in Zac Goldsmiths constituency (a leading out person but area voted strongly to remain)
    Each constituency seems to be getting between 5,000 and 10,000 signatures (so far)

    That is between 2.5 MILLION and 5 MILLION
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    a new referendum now would be pointless

    however, once there has been an agreement on "leave" conditions (in, say, two years or so), these conditions should be put up to a referendum

    people should know what they are preparing for themselves if they leave the EU
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    So since you are disputing the petition result to doubly check I guess you are in favour of a SNAP election.... If you are so certain that you are correct a SNAP election will clarify it and everyone will be happy - including yourself.

    We all agree - CALL AN ELECTION TO CLARIFY SITUATION BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE THAT CANNOT BE UNDONE...

    Sign the petition, and email your MP and opposition parties.
    That's almost certainly what will happen when the Tories elect their next leader. S/he will have to call a GE.

    And Labour is in turmoil too.


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    Brilliant article by Nick Cohen this morning about Johnson and Gove's lies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-gove-eu-liars

    It seems that trusting journalists to be politicians is no more trustworthy than electing politicians to do the job. :rolleyes:
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    70% of people who signed this are outside of the UK.
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    (Original post by Antediluvian)
    70% of people who signed this are outside of the UK.
    Nope. 97% are in the UK. And the other 3% say they are British citizens living abroad.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Nope. 97% are in the UK. And the other 3% say they are British citizens living abroad.

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    (Original post by Antediluvian)
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    The JSON
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json


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    (Original post by jneill)
    That's almost certainly what will happen when the Tories elect their next leader. S/he will have to call a GE.
    Why? Major didn't. Douglas-Home didn't. MacMillan didn't. Eden didn't.
 
 
 
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