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    Jammy Duel, Independent candidate
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    TSR Labour Party
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    TSR Liberal Party
    26
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    I'm glad that the electorate saw this conversation. It's clear that if the electorate wish to preserve our union with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that only one party is willing to defend it, the Conservative Party. A vote for the Socialists however is a vote to rip the union apart.

    Clearly the union is not safe in Labour's hands either, they would go into coalition with the extremist Socialists and would allow their MP's a free vote knowing that many of them support such a treasonous act.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm glad that the electorate saw this conversation. It's clear that if the electorate wish to preserve our union with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that only one party is willing to defend it, the Conservative Party. A vote for the Socialists however is a vote to rip the union apart.
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    And if the electorate don't give a ****?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    And if the electorate don't give a ****?
    Then i would not be saying it. The fact that you are a socialist and do not believe the native people of this country value the union evidences how out of touch you are.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Then i would not be saying it. The fact that you are a socialist and do not believe the native people of this country value the union evidences how out of touch you are.
    a. Where did I say I believed that ? I was simply posing the question.
    b. 'Value' != 'give a ****'. I daresay most people in England do 'value' the union, in that they attach some kind of sentimental value to it. Is it an issue people care about as much as or more than the economy, the NHS, the cost of living, immigration etc.? Given that whether or not their passport says 'United Kingdom' or 'England' has virtually no material effect on English people's lives - no. When I last went to (the south of) Ireland, the response I got from people here on telling them where I'd been was either 'where's Ireland again?' or 'oh, that's nice, lovely to go somewhere in the UK for a change'. Granted that's anecdotal evidence from one very small part of the south-east, but it gives a bit of an insight into the general level of understanding about this topic.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm glad that the electorate saw this conversation. It's clear that if the electorate wish to preserve our union with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that only one party is willing to defend it, the Conservative Party. A vote for the Socialists however is a vote to rip the union apart.

    Clearly the union is not safe in Labour's hands either, they would go into coalition with the extremist Socialists and would allow their MP's a free vote knowing that many of them support such a treasonous act.
    You're blinded by emotion if you think many Labour MPs could support this. The Socialists put this at the bottom of their manifesto so no-one would read it as its a joke policy. It is only being driven by McGovern.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    The Socialists put this at the bottom of their manifesto so no-one would read it as its a joke policy. It is only being driven by McGovern.
    That's actually not true, until recently I thought it was only me but the whole party feels it to be an important issue, more so than I would've expected.
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    (Original post by Kyx)
    Vote Liberal if you want a Tory/UKIP government
    I fixed your quote for you.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    You're blinded by emotion if you think many Labour MPs could support this. The Socialists put this at the bottom of their manifesto so no-one would read it as its a joke policy. It is only being driven by McGovern.
    I should put here for the record that it's something we're willing to compromise on
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm glad that the electorate saw this conversation. It's clear that if the electorate wish to preserve our union with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that only one party is willing to defend it, the Conservative Party. A vote for the Socialists however is a vote to rip the union apart.

    Clearly the union is not safe in Labour's hands either, they would go into coalition with the extremist Socialists and would allow their MP's a free vote knowing that many of them support such a treasonous act.
    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    You're blinded by emotion if you think many Labour MPs could support this. The Socialists put this at the bottom of their manifesto so no-one would read it as its a joke policy. It is only being driven by McGovern.
    Let this proclamation go out throughout the land.

    Upon reading the manifestos I have already spoken with the external commissar for the TSR Socialist Party. TSR Labour supports the union of nations unflinchingly and there will be no coalition agreement that compromises on this point.
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    (Original post by Kyx)
    Vote Liberal for Energy, the Environment, Education, and Employment!
    The Libs had their chance tbh.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The Libs had their chance tbh.
    Still do

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    (Original post by Kyx)
    Still do

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    Unlike the greens


    I wish you'd stayed in the Greens tbh. I was actually going to send you a private message when people started saying you should resign to say "don't resign over this" but then you went ahead and did very quickly so there didn't seem much point in that.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I wish you'd stayed in the Greens tbh. I was actually going to send you a private message when people started saying you should resign to say "don't resign over this" but then you went ahead and did very quickly so there didn't seem much point in that.
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    (Original post by Kyx)
    I do hope that you'll be a positive voice in the TSR Liberals though. Those manifesto pledges are ones that will need Labour votes to pass, so it would be a shame for that party to throw in with the Tories once more.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I do hope that you'll be a positive voice in the TSR Liberals though. Those manifesto pledges are ones that will need Labour votes to pass, so it would be a shame for that party to throw in with the Tories once more.
    I shall hope so
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I fixed your quote for you.
    A Tory-UKIP coalition would be unlikely to pass much without some liberal support, as would a Lab-Soc coalition.

    Therefore, people should vote liberal if they want policies anywhere between centre-left and centre-right!


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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Meanwhile a majority see themselves as either British or a specific British ethnicity, with more seeing themselves as Northern Irish than simply Irish; and the funniest thing about support for a united Ireland is it's barely stronger that support for direct rule; no demographic supports a united Ireland, even the Catholics by a narrow margin favour the current arrangements.
    Catholics were more accepting of partition because of the economic advantage of staying as part of the UK, now, even the moderate unionists are prepared to consider it, now at least theres a genuine economic argument to swing it.

    Hence why Ian Paisley advocated Unionists to get Irish passports.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm glad that the electorate saw this conversation. It's clear that if the electorate wish to preserve our union with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland that only one party is willing to defend it, the Conservative Party. A vote for the Socialists however is a vote to rip the union apart.

    Clearly the union is not safe in Labour's hands either, they would go into coalition with the extremist Socialists and would allow their MP's a free vote knowing that many of them support such a treasonous act.
    Ah yes, the Tories instead prefer to irritate the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish to encourage them to Leave the Union. While we support regional independence, the Tories want to promote English supremacy. Cool.
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    TSR Opinion Poll (02-07/11)
    (changes are from the last opinion poll)
    Tories - 35% (+1%)
    Labour - 35% (-3%)
    LDs - 10% (NC)
    UKIP - 9% (NC)
    Greens - 5% (NC)
    Others - 6% (+1)

    Very roughly translated to the MHoC...
    (changes are from the last election)
    Tories - 17 (+4)
    Labour - 17 (+5)
    Liberals - 5 (-3)
    UKIP - 5 (-2)
    Socialists - 5 (NC)
    JD - 1 (+1)

    What can be said is the gap is closing between Labour and the Tories, an independent is likely to get a seat (probs JD because he's known) and the Socialists will just about hold on. The Liberals and UKIP are likely to have a dip in support. The poll has too many flaws to give a precise idea of seat losses/gains, but I'd say the party rankings are accurate and the figures are far from 'ball park'.

    The sample size is 110, compared to the MHoC election currently at 205.
 
 
 
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