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The protests are not about democracy, they are about being anti-Tory and anti-austerity. I would accept the protests were against the electoral system if all of the people would still be protesting if Labour had won in the same circumstances as the Tories. I doubt the same people would be protesting and writing **** Labour **** on war memorials proving the riots are about politics and not elections.
No, I doubt so, but I suspect many of those involved now face the realisation of severe cuts and use this as an excuse to voice their anger. You would argue I'm sure UKIP should be the key players for reform of FTP. Think it indicates more how terrified they are of what's coming than anything else.
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Extreme left are nowhere near as violent or controversial as the extreme right. There aren't many communist yobs.
They may not be quite as bad, but they are WAY more numerous, I would argue a lot more not quite as bad and a few just as bad are worse than a few really bad. I expect there are nearly as many left wingers as there are really bad right wingers and most of the bad "right wingers" are more authoritarians rather than right wingers, like the BNP"

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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
They may not be quite as bad, but they are WAY more numerous, I would argue a lot more not quite as bad and a few just as bad are worse than a few really bad. I expect there are nearly as many left wingers as there are really bad right wingers and most of the bad "right wingers" are more authoritarians rather than right wingers, like the BNP"

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The 'I would argue' part makes this all a bit mute. If we're going to quibble over ideologies there's no point. I certainly don't identify politically with the utter ****** who defaced that memorial. Not liking Tories is not an ideology.
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Extreme left are nowhere near as violent or controversial as the extreme right. There aren't many communist yobs.
Couldn't you describe the student riots as an uprising of communist yobs ;D
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Extreme left are nowhere near as violent or controversial as the extreme right. There aren't many communist yobs.
UAF is as bad as EDL to be fair.
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Couldn't you describe the student riots as an uprising of communist yobs ;D
:P - where they fought each other to steal goods from stores and didn't evenly redistribute them? Some communists.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
They may not be quite as bad, but they are WAY more numerous, I would argue a lot more not quite as bad and a few just as bad are worse than a few really bad. I expect there are nearly as many left wingers as there are really bad right wingers and most of the bad "right wingers" are more authoritarians rather than right wingers, like the BNP"

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Well most of the protests tend to be student issues don't they? Gay marriage, tuition fees etc.

Since the most active would be in the younger categories- this would be more associates with the Left anyway.

Right wing protests conjure images of Britain First, EDL and drunk people.
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
:P - where they fought each other to steal goods from stores and didn't evenly redistribute them? Some communists.
Haha, now that would have been a spectacle!
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Well most of the protests tend to be student issues don't they? Gay marriage, tuition fees etc.

Since the most active would be in the younger categories- this would be more associates with the Left anyway.

Right wing protests conjure images of Britain First, EDL and drunk people.
Again, student=big with a few extreme vs a few extreme. I reiterate my point, I would rather have a few extreme because they're much easier to deal with (without major collateral in my preferred method of "dealing" with them ) than a mass with a few bad because with masses you need to pick out the bad ones and people will kick up a fuss if you go straight for the year gas

Reminds me of what I heard of crowd control with guns back in the days of the American revolution; shoot at the crowd rather than above because at least then the people you still got area likely the intra moat likely to cause trouble

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Well most of the protests tend to be student issues don't they? Gay marriage, tuition fees etc.

Since the most active would be in the younger categories- this would be more associates with the Left anyway.

Right wing protests conjure images of Britain First, EDL and drunk people.
Additional to the above, the "issue" here seems to be little more than "I've been brought up to hate the government we now have"

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Additional to the above, the "issue" here seems to be little more than "I've been brought up to hate the government we now have"

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Or giving an issue more media coverage than it would otherwise have got. In this case I suspect it's as simple as concern for their future
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Yeah :L

Far left control. Interesting how different tsr is to it.
The other place is ran by commies? :eek:
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Why the **** is this allowed in the UK?! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gene...xtremists.html
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The other place is ran by commies? :eek:
Communist, Socialist, Green and Labour.
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Or giving an issue more media coverage than it would otherwise have got. In this case I suspect it's as simple as concern for their future
Please tell me you're trolling with your apologising for some disgraceful acts by some thick yobs. They don't care about their future, they just see this knee-jerk reaction as a way to have a bit of fun and throw the toys out of the pram that not everyone is as thick as them and voted sensibly.
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Why the **** is this allowed in the UK?! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gene...xtremists.html
It is pretty damn horrid.
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So an election where the PM received only 24% (?) of the national vote is democratic and people protesting isn't?
We live in a representative democracy - the people elect representatives for their local area and whoever can command the confidence of a majority of them have a majority. It's perfectly legitimate.

(Also they were protesting against austerity - UKIP endorsed the Tory's plans as well as the Lib Dems being mostly on board with it. That's well over 50% of the vote.)

IMO, anyone caught by CCTV should be hit by several hundred hours of community service.


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We live in a representative democracy - the people elect representatives and whoever can command the confidence of a majority of them have a majority. It's perfectly legitimate.

(Also they were protesting against austerity - UKIP endorsed the Tory's plans as well as the Lib Dems being mostly on board with it. That's well over 50% of the vote.)

IMO, anyone caught by CCTV should be hit by several hundred hours of community service.

That sounds completely fair to me.
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I'm completely agreeing with Madelson on Andrew Marr.
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Please tell me you're trolling with your apologising for some disgraceful acts by some thick yobs. They don't care about their future, they just see this knee-jerk reaction as a way to have a bit of fun and throw the toys out of the pram that not everyone is as thick as them and voted sensibly.
No, I'm saying that peaceful protests themselves should always be allowed to happen, although any form of criminal activity disguised in this protest should involve arrests. If I was in government I would allow them to happen provided their organisers cooperated with the state to arrest those who vandalised/assaulted whatever.

It was completely pointless, but if they were this prepared to turn up in so many numbers, it highlights how disgusted that a lot of people are with the Tories.
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