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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    When you're relying on a large voterbase of violent idiots, that kind of comes with the territory.
    I think that the association between Brexit and what the attacker did is highly unfair - he's far right, granted, but let's not use that to tar Brexit at all and legitimate euroscepticism.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Tbh, it's highly unfair that the thing many of us have wanted for ages is stopped by the actions of one idiot - it's not poetic, it's desperately unfair.
    Perhaps I'd see it from your point of veiw if I agreed with you but I really don't agree that we should be leaving (I don't want to get into another argument about patriotism).
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    I think that the association between Brexit and what the attacker did is highly unfair - he's far right, granted, but let's not use that to tar Brexit at all and legitimate euroscepticism.
    Of course not. However, if you want to exclude people like that from consideration (and presumably also exclude them from voting), Brexit gets absolutely crushed on the 23rd - that set of people are overwhelmingly Brexit-oriented.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    I think that the association between Brexit and what the attacker did is highly unfair - he's far right, granted, but let's not use that to tar Brexit at all and legitimate euroscepticism.
    But the few legitimate concerns aren't enough to weren't leaving and the attack is almost certainly the result of the aggressive campaigns we have seen.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Of course not. However, if you want to exclude people like that from consideration (and presumably also exclude them from voting), Brexit gets absolutely crushed on the 23rd - that set of people are overwhelmingly Brexit-oriented.
    Brexit will be crushed? If we put aside potential swings from it you seem to think a very significant number of brexiteers would actively engage in violence if they don't get their own way

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Brexit will be crushed? If we put aside potential swings from it you seem to think a very significant number of brexiteers would actively engage in violence if they don't get their own way

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    I see you more of an economic brexiter, you actually seem fairly socially liberal or laissez faire.

    It's more the social brexiters who see immigrants as evil, such as Mair, etc that I would worry about.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Brexit will be crushed? If we put aside potential swings from it you seem to think a very significant number of brexiteers would actively engage in violence if they don't get their own way

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    Yes, the vast majority of people who support Brexit are really, really thick and often violent racists. Of course, the people in MHoC tend to be exceptions, and I'm not saying that every Brexit voter is thick and violent, just that the Brexit voterbase is dramatically more so than the Remain voterbase.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Yes, the vast majority of people who support Brexit are really, really thick and often violent racists. Of course, the people in MHoC tend to be exceptions, and I'm not saying that every Brexit voter is thick and violent, just that the Brexit voterbase is dramatically more so than the Remain voterbase.
    So about a quarter of the British population are "really thick and often violent racists"?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I see you more of an economic brexiter, you actually seem fairly socially liberal or laissez faire.

    It's more the social brexiters who see immigrants as evil, such as Mair, etc that I would worry about.

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    I would say those who are truly anti-immigration are a very small minority, the vast majority want controlled migration which is of course very different to borders closed to migrants, and I suspect a significant chunk of the remain vote would like better control over the borders, even if they don't think it important enough to change their vote.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So about a quarter of the British population are "really thick and often violent racists"?
    It sounds bad but this is basically the mindset of the Islington set. The common people don't know what's good for them whereas we do.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So about a quarter of the British population are "really thick and often violent racists"?
    I'd say that many people don't know what's good for them, don't make decisions for sound reasons and aren't the most knowledgeable yes. However at the same time I believe that even the elite can be bias against fact based decisions but they are less inclined to patriotism which is always good.

    As for violent, it's anecdotal evidence for sure but I've been in a room of perfectly lovely older people who were really nice and friendly and then I heard one say that all immigrants should be shot and most of the room agreed with them... I think that there are possibly more violent people out there who just hide it well.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It sounds bad but this is basically the mindset of the Islington set. The common people don't know what's good for them whereas we do.
    Do you think the 'common people' know what's good for them? Genuine Q.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So about a quarter of the British population are "really thick and often violent racists"?
    Yeah.
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    I mean lets face it, there's going to be riots on the streets if Remain wins, if you look at any of the online gathering grounds of brexiters, they are already convinced that the vote is going to be rigged against them. Conspiracy theories about a vote that hasn't even taken place yet. The thugs of this country simply can't comprehend the fact that about half of us don't completely hate immigrants.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Do you think the 'common people' know what's good for them? Genuine Q.
    Not really, no. The point of my post though was to highlight the comment of a champagne socialist mindset, the criticism of the Islington set is that they often look down on the 'common people' as being bigoted and racist whereas i actually think that most poor people probably don't benefit from mass immigration and i certainly agree with their cultural concerns (namely that diversity is a bunch of crap), i don't really look down on them even if i don't support their policy beliefs..
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Not really, no. The point of my post though was to highlight the comment of a champagne socialist mindset, the criticism of the Islington set is that they often look down on the 'common people' as being bigoted and racist whereas i actually think that most poor people probably don't benefit from mass immigration and i certainly agree with their cultural concerns (namely that diversity is a bunch of crap), i don't really look down on them even if i don't support their policy beliefs..
    Problem is a lot of people are bigoted. You should challenge bigotry, not secede ground to it. For some reason it's fine to oppose immigration but not to supporting it. Supporting immigration does not make you a champagne socialist, nor does it mean you sneer at the working class.

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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Problem is a lot of people are bigoted. You should challenge bigotry, not secede ground to it. For some reason it's fine to oppose immigration but not to supporting it. Supporting immigration does not make you a champagne socialist, nor does it mean you sneer at the working class.

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    Nor does it mean you're not bigoted; I would say the vast majority who shout bigot are bigoted

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    (Original post by cBay)
    I mean lets face it, there's going to be riots on the streets if Remain wins, if you look at any of the online gathering grounds of brexiters, they are already convinced that the vote is going to be rigged against them. Conspiracy theories about a vote that hasn't even taken place yet. The thugs of this country simply can't comprehend the fact that about half of us don't completely hate immigrants.
    This is exactly my fear. The ant-establishment rhetoric is so toxic that any form of in vote will cause riots. I am actually truly scared about what will happen in the event we do stay because I could easily see it turning into the London riots again.
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    Interestingly Comres have ukip within 10 points of labour

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    (Original post by cBay)
    I mean lets face it, there's going to be riots on the streets if Remain wins, if you look at any of the online gathering grounds of brexiters, they are already convinced that the vote is going to be rigged against them. Conspiracy theories about a vote that hasn't even taken place yet. The thugs of this country simply can't comprehend the fact that about half of us don't completely hate immigrants.
    The conspiracy theory brexiters are some who genuinely worry me, especially the 'I'm marking the ballot paper with a pen so that they can't rub out my pencil vote'.
 
 
 
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