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    (Original post by alabelle)
    How do you get away with not doing lesson plans? Is it different for secondary? We are expected to plan (in detail) every lesson we teach. I also was doing my evaluations weekly but my tutor found out and told me it was useless for me to do that as it was too long after the lesson. I preferred doing them in one batch too though!
    It's not different for secondary, it's different for schools/mentors. In both my placements I've had to do lesson plans. Not only that but I use them heavily in the lesson - they are a script for me, so I'd do them even if I didn't have to. However there are some trainees on my current placement who were moaning that they hate this current school because at their last school they didn't do one lesson plan, even for formal observations! I think that is rare.
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    Pineapple Pie has it spot on. You can pull out at any time, using the same form of words as suggested by PP. They will be grateful for your saving them time.
    Brilliant, thank you. Maybe I will go then.
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    Is this meant to be the crunch point, honest I could easily drop out right now, I have 7 weeks of teaching left and just feel exhausted, overwhelmed and don't know if I want this career. I dread going in every day I just need this to be over :-(. Positive is I love teaching I just hate everything else
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    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?
    Think it would probably be good for current peeps too, we all need to read some positivity sometimes.

    On a side note, all sorted on my side, go back in to my placement school monday but its a case of see how i go and theres the option to move placement if things dont improve.
    I have actively decided not to to through to NqT and talked to my employing school yesterday, they were dissapointed but very kind about it all, and i feel like a weight has been lifted. Just need to finish the course!
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?

    I say be realistic about it, and don't deliberately skew things. Positivity is important, but what's even more important is being realistic. I was reading this thread for over a year before my PGCE started, and I'm still reading it now (being half-way through my PGCE). Despite being very negative, the thread really helped me, because it meant that the course pushing me to the point of complete exhaustion and then beyond did not come as a surprise.

    The (realistic) reports of negative experiences are completely necessary to preserve PGCE students' confidence. To the extent I could, I knew what I was getting in for, that that helped me keep a sense of perspective. I think it would be far, far more dangerous to give people false hope. If the course is presented as sunshine and rainbows, then people who take it and find that that isn't the case are going to not only feel disappointed, but feel like failures. The reality is that this course is very demanding, and only the minority of people on it are comfortable and happy. Knowing that you're not alone is far more uplifting than thinking that you're a failure in a sea of people breezing through it.
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    Think it would probably be good for current peeps too, we all need to read some positivity sometimes.

    On a side note, all sorted on my side, go back in to my placement school monday but its a case of see how i go and theres the option to move placement if things dont improve.
    I have actively decided not to to through to NqT and talked to my employing school yesterday, they were dissapointed but very kind about it all, and i feel like a weight has been lifted. Just need to finish the course!
    I'm glad you feel better for it. If you finish the course then at least you can apply for your NQT year later on if you change your mind. I don't think anyone who has not gone through this course/job can understand what a struggle it can be. I know full well that other jobs have stresses and strains, but the particular nature of the stresses and strains of teaching can't truly be known until you have been there.
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    I say be realistic about it, and don't deliberately skew things. Positivity is important, but what's even more important is being realistic. I was reading this thread for over a year before my PGCE started, and I'm still reading it now (being half-way through my PGCE). Despite being very negative, the thread really helped me, because it meant that the course pushing me to the point of complete exhaustion and then beyond did not come as a surprise.

    The (realistic) reports of negative experiences are completely necessary to preserve PGCE students' confidence. To the extent I could, I knew what I was getting in for, that that helped me keep a sense of perspective. I think it would be far, far more dangerous to give people false hope. If the course is presented as sunshine and rainbows, then people who take it and find that that isn't the case are going to not only feel disappointed, but feel like failures. The reality is that this course is very demanding, and only the minority of people on it are comfortable and happy. Knowing that you're not alone is far more uplifting than thinking that you're a failure in a sea of people breezing through it.
    TBH, this is pretty much my own view, but I wanted to know if there was a feeling that it was presenting an unfair view to the extent of making those (rare) people who are having a good time feel unable to say so. The mutual support trainees get on this thread is really invaluable, I must completely agree. There's just the occasional lone voice in here which makes me wonder if there shouldn't be a peer group thread for them.
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I'm glad you feel better for it. If you finish the course then at least you can apply for your NQT year later on if you change your mind. I don't think anyone who has not gone through this course/job can understand what a struggle it can be. I know full well that other jobs have stresses and strains, but the particular nature of the stresses and strains of teaching can't truly be known until you have been there.
    Totally agree, family members and friends who are teachers can try an describe it to you and warn you but it takes experiencing it full on to decide whether it is actually for you.
    And yes thats my aim, it means i have the basic qualification and havent shot myself in the foot moving forward!
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    (Original post by alabelle)
    How do you get away with not doing lesson plans? Is it different for secondary? We are expected to plan (in detail) every lesson we teach. I also was doing my evaluations weekly but my tutor found out and told me it was useless for me to do that as it was too long after the lesson. I preferred doing them in one batch too though!
    It's dependent on the school tbh. I'm only writing lesson plans for the lessons that I have been officially observed in.

    My first placement wanted plans in 24 hours in advance, my second placement don't - I just send my mentor/class teacher if I want to - a brief outline of the lesson
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?
    There was one made somewhere already (not stickied tho)!
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    There was one made somewhere already (not stickied tho)!
    Well, I guess if it wasn't stickied and sank without trace through underuse, that answers my question!
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    I've got my first interview next week, and I am panicking. I have to teach a 30 minute literacy lesson to Year 4. There's almost 2 levels in the range of ability in the class, and I don't know how I can differentiate without knowing the children. If I put them in mixed ability groups, surely that would be a no-no? My last placement was with much younger children, and I haven't started my second placement yet, so I really don't feel ready for interviews, but the jobs in my area are being advertised now and I can't afford to wait and miss out. I'm afraid I am going to make a fool of myself!
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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    It's not different for secondary, it's different for schools/mentors. In both my placements I've had to do lesson plans. Not only that but I use them heavily in the lesson - they are a script for me, so I'd do them even if I didn't have to. However there are some trainees on my current placement who were moaning that they hate this current school because at their last school they didn't do one lesson plan, even for formal observations! I think that is rare.


    Brilliant, thank you. Maybe I will go then.
    Ah, ok. It's a requirement at my uni to produce a lesson plan for each lesson, a brief evaluation for each lesson, and one evaluation in detail daily. So I guess it depends on the uni too.


    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?
    To be honest I read this thread last year and it helped set my expectations. If I didn't realise how hard this was going to be, I might not have reached this point. Part of me thinks it is important to be realistic about how demanding this course is. My biggest problem at the moment is that my uni peer group are too positive! I'm having a tough time and they don't want to hear me vent. It might be the opposite for some trainees here though.

    (Original post by Samus2)
    It's dependent on the school tbh. I'm only writing lesson plans for the lessons that I have been officially observed in.

    My first placement wanted plans in 24 hours in advance, my second placement don't - I just send my mentor/class teacher if I want to - a brief outline of the lesson
    You're lucky! My uni require full plans for every lesson.
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    (Original post by alabelle)
    To be honest I read this thread last year and it helped set my expectations. If I didn't realise how hard this was going to be, I might not have reached this point. Part of me thinks it is important to be realistic about how demanding this course is. My biggest problem at the moment is that my uni peer group are too positive! I'm having a tough time and they don't want to hear me vent. It might be the opposite for some trainees here though.
    Yes, I'm getting the message fairly clearly. TBH, the fact that the PGCE is an utterly dreadful ordeal and the job itself is little better is my own view, but since I am frequently accused of having a bit of a jade-tinted spectacles view of things, I thought I might try to shove aside my own prejudices for a moment!
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    Yes, I'm getting the message fairly clearly. TBH, the fact that the PGCE is an utterly dreadful ordeal and the job itself is little better is my own view, but since I am frequently accused of having a bit of a jade-tinted spectacles view of things, I thought I might try to shove aside my own prejudices for a moment!
    Perhaps just change the thread title to something more neutral like "Current PGCE Students"?

    I think this thread is already used for positive things (mixed in with all the moaning) - it's a community of trainee teachers and consequently people share how they're feeling about the course, whether they've had a good or bad day, but the title suggest it's 100% negative.

    Of course it's still more like 80-90% moaning (because the PGCE is a tough year) but I think rather than a separate thread, a title change would do the job.
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    (Original post by myrtille)
    Perhaps just change the thread title to something more neutral like "Current PGCE Students"?

    I think this thread is already used for positive things (mixed in with all the moaning) - it's a community of trainee teachers and consequently people share how they're feeling about the course, whether they've had a good or bad day, but the title suggest it's 100% negative.

    Of course it's still more like 80-90% moaning (because the PGCE is a tough year) but I think rather than a separate thread, a title change would do the job.
    Good idea. What do the rest of you think about that?

    Edit: Did it anyway. If there's a roar of disapproval I'll change it back, but let's see how it goes for now.
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    Good idea. What do the rest of you think about that?

    Edit: Did it anyway. If there's a roar of disapproval I'll change it back, but let's see how it goes for now.
    Why couldn't you just create another one titled 'PGCE = never felt so happy or carefree"?
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    I wonder if in my modding capacity for this forum I should start a sticky for those having a positive experience of the PGCE. Is only having a negative sticky a bit daunting for potential new entrants for the profession? In my gnarled and grizzly old state of mind, I am inclined to believe that this thread tells more of the truth, but wonder what the rest of you think. Shall I create and stick a happy thread?
    Before I started my pgce I used to watch this thread for a while(once I read the thread from page 1 as I THAT curious!). I really liked reading other people talk about how they are finding the course as it gave me some mental preparation of what it will be like when I start in Sept.

    Most importantly, the pgce is HARD and this thread really helped me out a lot, it's like we are all kindred spirits. I love you all guys!
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    (Original post by davros)
    Why couldn't you just create another one titled 'PGCE = never felt so happy or carefree"?
    Lol! You go ahead, with a sincere and heartfelt first post and I will sticky it!
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    (Original post by Red Lightning)
    Before I started my pgce I used to watch this thread for a while(once I read the thread from page 1 as I THAT curious!). I really liked reading other people talk about how they are finding the course as it gave me some mental preparation of what it will be like when I start in Sept.

    Most importantly, the pgce is HARD and this thread really helped me out a lot, it's like we are all kindred spirits. I love you all guys!
    It is indeed an excellent thread, and I think it is vital to have the kind of peer support you find on it. I wouldn't have made it through without the equivalent of a generation ago, weekly meetings in the pub, but none of you need to go to the same lengths as I did, which was marrying my major supporter on the course...
 
 
 
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