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    Are you satisfied with Ken Livingstone's apology?
    Absolutely not. He showed a complete lack of empathy in the immediate aftermath and was given repeated opportunities to apologise. He needs to show commitment to mental health issues going forward before I'm persuaded of his sincerity.
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    Mr Speaker, dearest colleagues,

    This evening I have been elected as the new Leader of the TSR Labour Party. As a result I will also be taking over as the TSR Prime Minister. I'd like to thank all of the people who voted for and put their support in me, trusting me with the great power and responsibility that comes with this high office. I have now seen in my time in this House eight Prime Ministers, and I am incredibly proud to make my name the eighth on that list.

    I must begin by paying tribute to my esteemed colleague and election rival, the Right Honourable Mr cranbrook_aspie. Honourable he indeed was, always civil and polite throughout the election campaign, willing to have a laugh and gracious in defeat. I have no doubt that his time will come to lead this party, and he has had a meteoric rise, having been in this House for only six months.

    Of course it would not be right to move on without paying tribute to the Right Honourable Mr RayApparently, my immediate predecessor. Rarely does a leader of his strength, skill and nous come along. He has held this party, my party, together in some very tough times, and often at some very inconvenient times for him personally. We need more Rays in this House. To describe him as the past would be unfair, because he certainly has a key role to continue to play, though perhaps now with a slightly less extravagant ministerial car, in the continued running of this party, this government and this country.

    In terms of announcements, I intend to announce an updated Cabinet to the House tomorrow evening, with a session of Prime Minister's questions to follow at the beginning of next week. For now, I will continue to unpack my boxes and arrange my stuff in Number 10.

    Thank you all,

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    (Original post by Kyalimers)
    Hey I never said I like socialists though. Infact I hate China sooooooooo much (technically they are Democratics but m'eh).
    China isn't socialist.
    The TSR Socialist Party believes China, Soviet Russia, Cuba etc. to be deformed workers states and therefore undemocratic & not socialist.

    Socialist Party are the real leftists. Labour's closer to the centre.
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    How does the party feel about their leader being anti-corbyn and indeed one of 2 people In the party to support Kendal in tge election

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    How does the party feel about their leader being anti-corbyn and indeed one of 2 people In the party to support Kendal in tge election

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    The Labour Party is, always has been and always will be a broad church with a diverse range of opinions held within it. Fez has his personal views, but I'm confident that we'll continue to operate democratically and take into account the opinions of the entire member base. I believe he was elected due to an excellent campaign and some of the best organisational work I've seen in the MHoC during his time as Chairperson rather than because we've suddenly swung to the right ideologically and that even when there's an odd instance where he doesn't agree with the majority of the party - as would happen with any leader - he will prove a very capable and comitted leader and Prime Minister.
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    (Original post by Kyalimers)
    Hey I never said I like socialists though. Infact I hate China sooooooooo much (technically they are Democratics but m'eh).
    China isn't socialist.
    The TSR Socialist Party believes China, Soviet Russia, Cuba etc. to be deformed workers states and therefore undemocratic & not socialist.

    Socialist Party are proper leftists. Labour's closer to the centre.
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    How does the party feel about their leader being anti-corbyn and indeed one of 2 people In the party to support Kendal in tge election

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    It doesn't matter. The party membership remains strongly pro-Corbyn.
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    How does the party feel about their leader being anti-corbyn and indeed one of 2 people In the party to support Kendal in tge election

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    You would think that the fact that the party has just elected said leader with a similar proportion of the vote would perhaps indicate that the party doesn't give two ****s.

    Seriously, we don't care who supported who in the rl leadership election any more. There might be an occasional discussion in the chat thread but it's really not an issue tbh. We prefer to focus on actual policies.

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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    China isn't socialist.
    The TSR Socialist Party believes China, Soviet Russia, Cuba etc. to be deformed workers states and therefore undemocratic & not socialist.

    Socialist Party are proper leftists. Labour's closer to the centre.
    And it believes it so strongly that you said it twice
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    I hope that a civil war does not exist in TSR Labour.
    I assure you that it doesn't.
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    How does the party feel about their leader being anti-corbyn and indeed one of 2 people In the party to support Kendal in tge election

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    Saracen's Fez has the party's full backing. We, as the electorate (TSR Labour), know Saracen's position politically, and the general position of the other MPs and members and we elected Saracen's Fez in what was a hotly contested, but incredibly civil election, and there are no hard feelings or misgiving. The Party remains a democratic machine with a Leader who 100% supports that machine. This isn't a sharp turn away from were Labour was under Ray politically, nor is it the start of a fight between the PLP and the leader. We always have our differences in TSR Labour, as all parties do, but we talk them out and find a compromise that suits everyone.

    The fact that Saracen's Fez backed Kendal us irrelevant to us, we remain pro-Corbyn, as do the majority of our active members and MPs, but Labour has always been a broad church, and having a leader who we've had the odd disagreement with is not going to see us fall into despair.
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    What are your opinions on McDonnell's Little Red Book gaffe, and Dianne Abbott's defence of Mao leading her to be branded, by some, as a genocide denier?
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    What are your opinions on McDonnell's Little Red Book gaffe, and Dianne Abbott's defence of Mao leading her to be branded, by some, as a genocide denier?
    McDonnell's gaffe was a poor decision. Abbotts defence is from like 2008 isn't it and baffles me.
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    What are your opinions on McDonnell's Little Red Book gaffe, and Dianne Abbott's defence of Mao leading her to be branded, by some, as a genocide denier?
    McDonnell = Frustrating. Decent point illustrated poorly - I hope the party gets better at PR in the future.
    Abbott = Worrying.
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    What are your opinions on McDonnell's Little Red Book gaffe, and Dianne Abbott's defence of Mao leading her to be branded, by some, as a genocide denier?
    He made a good point, but poorly delivered so making it an easy joke, rather than forcing the Tories to address his point, nightmarish PR but agree with his point.

    Never heard this until just looking it up, saying "doing more harm than good" regarding dictators is a fine argument, but it's a) blatantly wrong in the case of Mao b) unnecessarily controversial for an MP. So yes, worrying if she truly thinks that. Can't stand her anyway.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What are your opinions on McDonnell's Little Red Book gaffe, and Dianne Abbott's defence of Mao leading her to be branded, by some, as a genocide denier?
    I had a rant about McDonnell in the Bar, but basically I think his position is now untenable. He's managed to create all the propaganda that the Tories could ever need for the remainder of his career as Shadow Chancellor, and has made the job of the next Shadow Chancellor (and I fully expect Labour to be naming another Shadow Chancellor before they get to name a Chancellor again) a lot harder.

    The number one rule for winning general elections to to look strong on the economy.

    As for Diane Abbott, I try to forget she exists. No more need be said. Thanks for reminding me.

    Seriously though, what he did had better have been very good to outweigh the mass slaughter of the Chinese population.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I had a rant about McDonnell in the Bar, but basically I think his position is now untenable. He's managed to create all the propaganda that the Tories could ever need for the remainder of his career as Shadow Chancellor, and has made the job of the next Shadow Chancellor (and I fully expect Labour to be naming another Shadow Chancellor before they get to name a Chancellor again) a lot harder.

    The number one rule for winning general elections to to look strong on the economy.

    As for Diane Abbott, I try to forget she exists. No more need be said. Thanks for reminding me.

    Seriously though, what he did had better have been very good to outweigh the mass slaughter of the Chinese population.
    We;;, socialists don't seem great with their history. And his and Corbyn's economic credibility is already non-existent.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    We;;, socialists don't seem great with their history. And his and Corbyn's economic credibility is already non-existent.
    He hasn't exactly helped improve that though.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    He hasn't exactly helped improve that though.
    W00t, negative credibility.
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    Birchington
    Well, not quite as bad as Balls
 
 
 
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