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"Those at the rally didn't bother" that is clearly all. its not saying "most if those" but just "those" its painting all with the same brush.

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Ugh. Really can't be bothered with this. If you want to 'cherche la petite bête', then you will always lose the bet that you originally stipulated because you say you win the bet if you can find a Tory or UKIP voter who was at the rally.
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I did not think I would be saying this, but I agree with Aph on this one. 'Those' is plural implying that all of the people at the rally did not vote, and it is the same as pointing at a bottles on the table and saying "those bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin," it would be taken that all of the bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin, not most of them.
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Why would you assume that people at the rally didn't vote? There's always going to be people just attending wanting to cause trouble of course, but in general, if people are passionate enough to protest, they probably cared enough to vote? Although of course there's no proof either way.
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(Original post by bun)
Ugh. Really can't be bothered with this. If you want to 'cherche la petite bête', then you will always lose the bet that you originally stipulated because you say you win the bet if you can find a Tory or UKIP voter who was at the rally.
what are you on about?
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I did not think I would be saying this, but I agree with Aph on this one. 'Those' is plural implying that all of the people at the rally did not vote, and it is the same as pointing at a bottles on the table and saying "those bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin," it would be taken that all of the bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin, not most of them.
thank you!!! that's exactly what I thought. I never thought i'd have to argue pedantics in the bar but im glad you agree.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
I did not think I would be saying this, but I agree with Aph on this one. 'Those' is plural implying that all of the people at the rally did not vote, and it is the same as pointing at a bottles on the table and saying "those bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin," it would be taken that all of the bottles on the table can be thrown in the bin, not most of them.
My point is: Aph said, "all I have to do to win is find somebody at the protest who voted right?".
Without putting the comma in before right, what he's suggesting is that to win the bet, he needs to find someone who voted Tory or UKIP.
Pedantic? Very. Bet then so was his original statement about 'those' meaning all or most. It could be as you say, or tehFrance could have simply decided to ellide 'most of' to keep it shorter.

Silly discussion, let's all move on.
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what are you on about?
Something about people in glass houses and throwing stones
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thats not what you said, you said that all of those at the rally didnt vote...
I implied the majority, I'm sure a couple did vote but lets be honest, the majority didn't. They were just out to riot, no doubt they were the same people from the London riots also I know for a fact that a lot in attendance couldn't vote due to their nationality.
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implicitly.
Thank you, you're right
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id read it and imply all...
How does it imply all?
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(Original post by bun)
If you want to 'cherche la petite bête'.
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My point is: Aph said, "all I have to do to win is find somebody at the protest who voted right?".
Without putting the comma in before right, what he's suggesting is that to win the bet, he needs to find someone who voted Tory or UKIP.
Pedantic? Very. Bet then so was his original statement about 'those' meaning all or most. It could be as you say, or tehFrance could have simply decided to ellide 'most of' to keep it shorter.

Silly discussion, let's all move on.
Ah, but is he, perhaps he means right as in correctly, rather than right as in right wing, in which case he shouldn't be able to find anybody who voted right at an anti-Tory protest since, as we all know, the "right" way to vote is Tory. That aside, right according to whom? Aph or tehFrance?
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Ah, but is he, perhaps he means right as in correctly, rather than right as in right wing, in which case he shouldn't be able to find anybody who voted right at an anti-Tory protest since, as we all know, the "right" way to vote is Tory. That aside, right according to whom? Aph or tehFrance?
In which case, he'd have had to use the adverb, rightly.

He was trying to be clever and it's come back to bite as it usually does
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I implied the majority, I'm sure a couple did vote but lets be honest, the majority didn't. They were just out to riot, no doubt they were the same people from the London riots also I know for a fact that a lot in attendance couldn't vote due to their nationality.

Thank you, you're right

How does it imply all?
Do you have stats to prove this then? Or do you mean you saw a couple of brown people on TV and assumed they weren't able to vote?
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In which case, he'd have had to use the adverb, rightly.

He was trying to be clever and it's come back to bite as it usually does
You know Aph, Aph cannot English too well some of the time, he would probably use right meaning rightly
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(Original post by bun)
Something about people in glass houses and throwing stones
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Ah, but is he, perhaps he means right as in correctly, rather than right as in right wing, in which case he shouldn't be able to find anybody who voted right at an anti-Tory protest since, as we all know, the "right" way to vote is Tory. That aside, right according to whom? Aph or tehFrance?
Well right according to me would include labour
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All the Blairite labour MPs letting their voices be heard now. It's restoring my faith in labour. We need more David Lammy and less Harriat Harman. Gutted Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out though.

Maybe we can get Alan Sugar back on side.
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All the Blairite labour MPs letting their voices be heard now. It's restoring my faith in labour. We need more David Lammy and less Harriat Harman. Gutted Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out though.

Maybe we can get Alan Sugar back on side.
I've met David Lammy a few times (I used to live, and went to school in Tottenham, his constituency). Can't stand him on a personal level. Would be good for the Labour Party in terms of Politics though.

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I've met David Lammy a few times (I used to live, and went to school in Tottenham, his constituency). Can't stand him on a personal level. Would be good for the Labour Party in terms of Politics though.

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Why? He talks good sense on the DP.
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And farrage's resignation was rejected....
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I think to solve the Scottish problem we need a devolved Scottish labour Party with a separate manifesto for Scotland. This allows us to solve the English problem by going Blairite but pay lip service to quasi socialism to appease the Scots.
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I am pleased Farage's resignation was rejected, I do wonder if my long letter to UKIP HQ and Farage criticising his resignation and explaining why he must remain as leader was part of the overwhelming evidence they used to reject his resignation.
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I am pleased Farage's resignation was rejected, I do wonder if my long letter to UKIP HQ and Farage criticising his resignation and explaining why he must remain as leader was part of the overwhelming evidence they used to reject his resignation.
Evidence that UKIP is all about Farage.

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