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    (Original post by dj1015)
    I do spell my own name wrong when talking to my self on regular occasions.
    Which of your 'selves' are you currently addressing? :confused::eek:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Have you looked at Mumsnet? It's anything but socialist!
    Gosh you know what, last time i checked i hadnt popped out a kid so i've never felt the need!
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    (Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt)
    The complete opposite.

    On a left/right wing scale.

    Which is almost impossible to place fascism on.

    A simple google search of the word will provide you with dozens of scholarly articles debating the conventional attribution of fascism to right wing ideology.

    And don't forget that YOU quoted ME with obvious ignorance of the context in which I was speaking.

    I have a dictionary too by the way.
    There's certainly a welter of academic tosh out there disputing the designation, most of which appears to be based on confusion about the statism of fascist societies. All we can say for certain is that fascists lock up the Left, deport them to camps and generally get medieval on their arses.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    If collectivism was such a great model the USSR would have prospered and New Labour -Britain's biggest left-wing party- wouldn't have dropped clause 4 back in the 1990's.

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Marx was wrong and the 20th Century is littered with the humanitarian fallout of his childish ideology. Lets not suffer this injustice any longer - privatise the NHS!
    typical libertarian hyperbole

    Just because someone supports the ideal of a social contract and the equality of provision of certain core services ( especially health services where the only ethically sound means of control of access is clinical need) does not mean they are a Marxist-Leninist ...

    Libertarianism taken to excess is a sign of either utter naivety, a lack of exposure to anything outside a protected middle class upbringing and the associated immaturity this brings or it is symptom of a Personality Disorder / sociopathic tendency.

    Libertarianism is the only political ideology which is obviously a symptom of mental disorder ... belief in Collectivism, Marxist-leninist, Maoist or trotskyite anarcho-syndicalism is just a sign of naivity and gullibility rather than pathology.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Have you looked at Mumsnet? It's anything but socialist!
    It took me a while to remember that Mumsnet is a different thing from one million moms (the crazy semi-fundie US group with substantially less than a million members) so I was really confused by the socialism stuff.
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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    Gosh you know what, last time i checked i hadnt popped out a kid so i've never felt the need!
    As an erstwhile campaigner for Ukip, you should be checking it out, it's fertile ground and a current epicentre of UK political discourse. They regularly have top politician chats on it, etc.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    It took me a while to remember that Mumsnet is a different thing from one million moms (the crazy semi-fundie US group with substantially less than a million members) so I was really confused by the socialism stuff.
    Lol, everything now in the US has to be One Million, like Ron Paul's One Million Libertarians (I made that one up) and Bieber's One Million Girlie March - that one's probably true.
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    This thread/post is soooooo true. I love how the truth always comes out on these forums. I'm fed up of the same right wing contributors - like 5 or 6 of them with their Boris faced profile pictures...

    Only last week there was a poll on here for who would you vote for in the next General Election. Conservatives had like 12 votes to Labours 1 and UKIP's 6 at that point. It was ridiculous; against all other polls online and officially.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    typical libertarian hyperbole

    Just because someone supports the ideal of a social contract and the equality of provision of certain core services ( especially health services where the only ethically sound means of control of access is clinical need) does not mean they are a Marxist-Leninist ...

    Libertarianism taken to excess is a sign of either utter naivety, a lack of exposure to anything outside a protected middle class upbringing and the associated immaturity this brings or it is symptom of a Personality Disorder / sociopathic tendency.

    Libertarianism is the only political ideology which is obviously a symptom of mental disorder ... belief in Collectivism, Marxist-leninist, Maoist or trotskyite anarcho-syndicalism is just a sign of naivity and gullibility rather than pathology.
    Well, it depends whether you agree with Einstein's definition of insanity, but to be honest, any political ideology becomes insane when taken to extremes.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There's certainly a welter of academic tosh out there disputing the designation, most of which appears to be based on confusion about the statism of fascist societies. All we can say for certain is that fascists lock up the Left, deport them to camps and generally get medieval on their arses.

    'left' and 'right' wrap back round on themselves so the far left and far right depends on whether it;s Marxism that has created the folk devil(s) ( the bourgouise) or Ultra-nationalism ( a group identified by racial , ethinc or cultural characteristic different to that of the party).
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There's certainly a welter of academic tosh out there disputing the designation, most of which appears to be based on confusion about the statism of fascist societies. All we can say for certain is that fascists lock up the Left, deport them to camps and generally get medieval on their arses.
    But didnt Stalin and Mao lock up the right, oh no they purged the living daylights out of them and most of them got a bullet in the spine!

    Both extreme left and extreme right are fascist.

    Mao booted all foreigners out of China, got rid of everything foreign in that country including the top foreign universities!

    Stalin, well no one knows but i guess they were a large portion of those who starved by the millions.
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    (Original post by noahharley)
    This thread/post is soooooo true. I love how the truth always comes out on these forums. I'm fed up of the same right wing contributors - like 5 or 6 of them with their Boris faced profile pictures...

    Only last week there was a poll on here for who would you vote for in the next General Election. Conservatives had like 12 votes to Labours 1 and UKIP's 6 at that point. It was ridiculous; against all other polls online and officially.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There's certainly a welter of academic tosh out there disputing the designation, most of which appears to be based on confusion about the statism of fascist societies. All we can say for certain is that fascists lock up the Left, deport them to camps and generally get medieval on their arses.
    I'm not disputing that a lot of fascists happen to be right wing.

    Only that fascism cannot be purely in left/right terms.

    Stalin was a communist, and in my opinion, a fascist.

    Look.

    If I'm Jesus Christ, and I'm preaching that you should love your neighbour, respect your enemy and avoid thoughts of vengeance. Fine.

    If I use a bludgeon on you if you ignore my teachings, lock you and your family up, I'm being fascist.

    I think the problem resides in the word being used as a noun, rather than a verb.
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    (Original post by noahharley)
    This thread/post is soooooo true. I love how the truth always comes out on these forums. I'm fed up of the same right wing contributors - like 5 or 6 of them with their Boris faced profile pictures...

    Only last week there was a poll on here for who would you vote for in the next General Election. Conservatives had like 12 votes to Labours 1 and UKIP's 6 at that point. It was ridiculous; against all other polls online and officially.
    It's partly a demographic issue. TSR has a strong bias towards more affluent people (firstly, in simple access terms, as properly low income households are less likely to have the sort of internet access required to provide a consistent presence on a forum, secondly because there is still a bias with more affluent people engaging in education going to university, and so people who self identify as students are more likely to be more affluent), who in turn tend to have a bias against socialism. Randomised polling, often conducted by phoning random households in the day will have an opposing bias towards the elderly, unemployed and other groups at home in the day.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    As an erstwhile campaigner for Ukip, you should be checking it out, it's fertile ground and a current epicentre of UK political discourse. They regularly have top politician chats on it, etc.
    Its ok, ive personally grilled Valerie Vaz on Justice and Immigration in a room full of people on a politics trip, ohhh how she kept so quiet.

    If you think about it though, this is a forum where people hide their identity, so they say their views but are pretty closed in every other way, which leads onto the point that arguing on here's pretty pointless, as it doesnt achieve anything, to be honest i think everyone on here just hunts for better rep pointlessly.

    How about you setup your own TSR party, the FullofSurprises party Then push for a seat at the next by-elections!

    Plus, if its a right wing website then theres no joy in arguing with someone with relatively similar views as me is there!

    PAH, I guess you lefties could say there has been a mass immigration of intelligent hard working people to TSR :P:P
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Lol, everything now in the US has to be One Million, like Ron Paul's One Million Libertarians (I made that one up) and Bieber's One Million Girlie March - that one's probably true.
    They did a one million bieber fan march? I just found a solution to the problems of overpopulation and excess land mines.
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    (Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt)
    The complete opposite.

    On a left/right wing scale.

    Which is almost impossible to place fascism on.

    A simple google search of the word will provide you with dozens of scholarly articles debating the conventional attribution of fascism to right wing ideology.

    And don't forget that YOU quoted ME with obvious ignorance of the context in which I was speaking.

    I have a dictionary too by the way.
    For once I agree with you!
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    (Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt)
    I'm not disputing that a lot of fascists happen to be right wing.

    Only that fascism cannot be purely in left/right terms.

    Stalin was a communist, and in my opinion, a fascist.

    Look.

    If I'm Jesus Christ, and I'm preaching that you should love your neighbour, respect your enemy and avoid thoughts of vengeance. Fine.

    If I use a bludgeon on you if you ignore my teachings, lock you and your family up, I'm being fascist.

    I think the problem resides in the word being used as a noun, rather than a verb.
    The Stalin thing is always drawn in as an example, but its really just confusing authoritarianism with fascism; fascism was a very particular type of phenomenon, which included the concept of rule by One Strong Man; a race theory as the dominant cultural norm; aggressive foreign expansion and oppression of the Left.

    Stalin and Mao for sure practised all kinds of ghastly authoritarian and cruelly oppressive policies, but Sovietism/State Communism had a different conceptual basis - they were not (publicly at least) practising a Racial Theory of Superiority and they did not (publicly) oppress the Left. Of course, I am not denying that fascistic elements - particularly the One Strong Leader and the use of state terror, etc, crept in.

    Of course, the other hallmark of fascism so far when it captured a state has been that the private sector (or at least, those parts of the private sector considered racially pure and owned by the right people) flourished, private profit boomed (some of it grabbed by the friends and relations of the ruler) and this was, at least theoretically, different in the Soviet Union and China.

    That's not to say that there aren't fascistic elements in lots of societies. When I hear that the US President can decide who to assassinate around the world with impunity, including (we now hear) US citizens, I call Fascist. When the British Prime Minister and Chancellor round on a pathetic family dominated by an abusive and twisted man and use them as an example to attack the welfare state, I call Fascist.
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    We should have a State your Political Party thread.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The Stalin thing is always drawn in as an example, but its really just confusing authoritarianism with fascism; fascism was a very particular type of phenomenon, which included the concept of rule by One Strong Man; a race theory as the dominant cultural norm; aggressive foreign expansion and oppression of the Left.

    Stalin and Mao for sure practised all kinds of ghastly authoritarian and cruelly oppressive policies, but Sovietism/State Communism had a different conceptual basis - they were not (publicly at least) practising a Racial Theory of Superiority and they did not (publicly) oppress the Left. Of course, I am not denying that fascistic elements - particularly the One Strong Leader and the use of state terror, etc, crept in.

    Of course, the other hallmark of fascism so far when it captured a state has been that the private sector (or at least, those parts of the private sector considered racially pure and owned by the right people) flourished, private profit boomed (some of it grabbed by the friends and relations of the ruler) and this was, at least theoretically, different in the Soviet Union and China.

    That's not to say that there aren't fascistic elements in lots of societies. When I hear that the US President can decide who to assassinate around the world with impunity, including (we now hear) US citizens, I call Fascist. When the British Prime Minister and Chancellor round on a pathetic family dominated by an abusive and twisted man and use them as an example to attack the welfare state, I call Fascist.
    Im so confused, so you base Fascism off social class? in terms of someone claiming welfare benefits, but then say the Soviets werent fascist as they didnt 'directly' target a race.

    So wait, if i was to say, boot all immigrants out of my country, does that make me fascist, as i havent targeted a specific race, nor specified a single race being better than the other?
 
 
 
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