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    (Original post by Drewski)
    And they've essentially closed the USAF base at Incirlik, being used to launch the attacks on IS. That's going to go down well...
    At a crucial time when the Kurds need US air support to liberate Manbij and close the ISIS supply routes with Turkey that ******* closes the USAF airbase leaving the Kurds without protection.

    Great! The bloody Daesh is gonna turn the tables now and win the war!
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    At a crucial time when the Kurds need US air support to liberate Manbij and close the ISIS supply routes with Turkey that ******* closes the USAF airbase leaving the Kurds without protection.

    Great! The bloody Daesh is gonna turn the tables now and win the war!
    Well. No. It's just one base. They can stage out of Akrotiri if they need to or use carrier aircraft. Might limit the support they get a touch, but won't really be affect the future.
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    Seems to be that the results from democracy are being favoured over the principles of democracy

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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Interested if true.

    A jet flying over a city doesn't really indicate much...
    And sometimes, then again, it does. :teehee:
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    At a crucial time when the Kurds need US air support to liberate Manbij and close the ISIS supply routes with Turkey that ******* closes the USAF airbase leaving the Kurds without protection.

    Great! The bloody Daesh is gonna turn the tables now and win the war!
    Well he's been bombing the Kurds hasn't he? I mean, the US are bombing his friends in IS and he's bombing our friends the Kurds.

    Seems only right that they are still in NATO, after all, no confusion. :lol:
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    The second the Americans don't need him, we'll start hearing rumours of another coup or Erdgogan needing to step down for 'family reasons'.

    What an idiot. You don't mess around with the US of A' like that.
    Well, if this was a CIA operation, they didn't do very well. :rolleyes:
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    Went to bed with a smile yesterday evening, albeit aware of early indicators that the coup may well fail (e.g. encountering a lot of resistance + Erdogan at large and able to speak to people). Woke up this morning and was so pissed to hear how it went, walked around all day grumpy.

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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    And sometimes, then again, it does. :teehee:
    The guys on the ground had slightly more effect... as much as I'm pro airpower, it is pretty useless for something like this.

    Twas the tanks that did it. Or at least, had best chance of doing it...
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    (Original post by Scrappy-coco)
    Seems to be that the results from democracy are being favoured over the principles of democracy

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    Doesn't Erdogan rig elections though?
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    The guys on the ground had slightly more effect... as much as I'm pro airpower, it is pretty useless for something like this.

    Twas the tanks that did it. Or at least, had best chance of doing it...
    Coups are very difficult to pull off if the military force that's running the coup isn't unanimous - if it's a small 'group of colonels' or the like, going against the generals, or even (as it seems in this case) a group of junior officers with one or two senior officers involved, it's hard to prevent orders being issued to other parts of the military to deal with your coup attempt.

    It seems like they started proficiently, grabbing control of the media, parliament, government offices and key bridges. It's astonishing though that they let Erdogan land as if nothing was wrong. They should have been ready to go as far as to shoot his plane down - once you are committed to a coup, nothing must hold you back.

    This smacks of amateurishness. Perhaps Turkey's officer corps generally is rather poor and this is a symptom.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    He has just removed 2700 judges and prosecutors. I would be against this even if he were atheist.
    those traitors were going to be removed in long years but this coup thing made it faster.
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    A Turkish Minister had said the United States was behind the coup

    lol!

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/215046
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Coups are very difficult to pull off if the military force that's running the coup isn't unanimous - if it's a small 'group of colonels' or the like, going against the generals, or even (as it seems in this case) a group of junior officers with one or two senior officers involved, it's hard to prevent orders being issued to other parts of the military to deal with your coup attempt.

    It seems like they started proficiently, grabbing control of the media, parliament, government offices and key bridges. It's astonishing though that they let Erdogan land as if nothing was wrong. They should have been ready to go as far as to shoot his plane down - once you are committed to a coup, nothing must hold you back.

    This smacks of amateurishness. Perhaps Turkey's officer corps generally is rather poor and this is a symptom.
    Think it more likely they underestimated the public support / lack thereof. It feels like they assumed there'd be a public show of support against Erdogan.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Think it more likely they underestimated the public support / lack thereof. It feels like they assumed there'd be a public show of support against Erdogan.
    Yes, perhaps. It's also clear that troops who were 'part' of the coup faced the usual ethical crisis that soldiers do in such situations of trying to decide if it's right to fire on one's fellow countrypersons.
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    (Original post by TelAviv)
    A Turkish Minister had said the United States was behind the coup

    lol!

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/215046
    although minister blames fethullah gülen for the coup and wants him from the USA, USA is refusing it and they are not sending him to Turkey

    http://www.aksam.com.tr/guncel/ameri...k/haber-533792
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    (Original post by GovernorC)
    although minister blames fethullah gülen for the coup and wants him from the USA, USA is refusing it and they are not sending him to Turkey

    http://www.aksam.com.tr/guncel/ameri...k/haber-533792
    A US source has said that Turkey keeps accusing him of stuff and makes a big fuss in public, but have never actually officially asked for an extradition.

    And obviously the US aren't extraditing him immediately, just because the Turkish govt. is accusing him of something. They do that all the time without ever producing solid evidence.
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    (Original post by Sir Fox)
    A US source has said that Turkey keeps accusing him of stuff and makes a big fuss in public, but have never actually officially asked for an extradition.

    And obviously the US aren't extraditing him immediately, just because the Turkish govt. is accusing him of something. They do that all the time without ever producing solid evidence.
    they ve been doing that since 2014. once a reporter asked to Harf about it and he said that they didnt talk about it. he doesnt have passport of Turkey. it s been cancelled two years ago. he must have been arrested in 2014 for terrorising. bu the is still in the USA. the conversation with Obama has been made two years ago.
    http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/in...cek-73245.html
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    (Original post by GovernorC)
    they ve been doing that since 2014.
    Kerry says the US has not received an official extradition request.

    Furthermore, as Turkey's judiciary is now almost fully under the control of the government and not independent any more, the US should not extradite Gülen as there is no chance he would get a fair trial.*
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    (Original post by Sir Fox)
    Kerry says the US has not received an official extradition request.

    Furthermore, as Turkey's judiciary is now almost fully under the control of the government and not independent any more, the US should not extradite Gülen as there is no chance he would get a fair trial.*
    the ones who were removed are traitors who were with Gulen
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    (Original post by GovernorC)
    the ones who were removed are traitors who were with Gulen
    The easiest way to get rid of your enemies - just brand them as traitors ...

    If they were 'traitors' they would have needed a fair trial and if convicted removed from office. But you cannot just go and remove thousands of people from office without any evidence.

    These guys aren't traitors, they were removed from office so Erdogan can accumulate more powers.*
 
 
 
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