The Apprentice 2011: Official thread Watch

Poll: Who should win?
Helen (55)
19.16%
Jim (36)
12.54%
Susan (71)
24.74%
Tom (125)
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...rather than his achievements on the show.
Your last word is the answer. It's TV, I also predicted Tom from the video clips.

I don't believe it was completely pre-determined but it was Tom's to lose.
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Your last word is the answer. It's TV, I also predicted Tom from the video clips.

I don't believe it was completely pre-determined but it was Tom's to lose.
Absolutely. I predicted Tom simply from the Apprentice's desire to present a surprise winner. That works on a task-to-task basis (if a team is floundering badly earlier, they're probably going to win) and on a series winner basis, too.

But I think in this case, they chose the weaker candidate for the sake of a "shock winner" and that disappointed me.
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But I think in this case, they chose the weaker candidate for the sake of a "shock winner" and that disappointed me.
It would have disappointed me if Tom wasn't selected, he may have been lost to the nation. Helen is one-in-10,000, Tom is 1-in-100,000. Helen does give a bit of a message that you sacrifice all to make it in business, Tom shows that niceness is still desirable, as did Tim Campbell, 2005 winner, never said a bad word about anyone.

The show also gave us Jim and Susan.

We could also see Vincent in some acting role in the future.
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It would have disappointed me if Tom wasn't selected, he may have been lost to the nation. Helen is one-in-10,000, Tom is 1-in-100,000. Helen does give a bit of a message that you sacrifice all to make it in business, Tom shows that niceness is still desirable, as did Tim Campbell, 2005 winner, never said a bad word about anyone.

The show also gave us Jim and Susan.

We could also see Vincent in some acting role in the future.
Yeah, I do see what you're saying. She's a workaholic and a consumate professional, but he's rather unique. But again...

I think their CVs alone, with perhaps a few interviews, would have made that difference clear. It just seems odd that the person with the WORST record in the whole run beat the person with the BEST record.

(But yeah, I'm not denying the entertainment value! Jim had me howling so often!!)

...and Vincent already has many acting roles. IMDB "Mackenzie Crook"...
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I've been saying that Tom will win for a number of weeks and many people shot me down..so happy for Mr Pellereau!!!!
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Thing is, Tom winning kind of makes the entire program a bit pointless - if you can lose almost every task and still win, it means the tasks aren't an indicator of what Alan wants; might as well just have the interviews and be done with it in that case.

Also, why criticise Susan's business for being "brew-in-the-kitchen"? Isn't Sir Alan always going on about his started from the back of a van? What's wrong with ambition...I thought she was gonna win tbh.
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In small, specialist stores her products would thrive, but when put against major brands it has no chance. He wasn't interested in small-scale businesses, however, so she was deemed unsuitable.
But there's loads of beauty brands, some new, that are doing really well (and aren't Loreal, Olay etc). What about Lush, Body Shop, all the organic brands in Boots like Naked Detox, Sanctuary, Botanics. Then the "high class" ones like Molton Brown, L'Occitane...Doesn't seem to be that difficult.
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Thing is, Tom winning kind of makes the entire program a bit pointless - if you can lose almost every task and still win, it means the tasks aren't an indicator of what Alan wants; might as well just have the interviews and be done with it in that case.

Also, why criticise Susan's business for being "brew-in-the-kitchen"? Isn't Sir Alan always going on about his started from the back of a van? What's wrong with ambition...I thought she was gonna win tbh.
This. It seems like he only hired Tom because he was already an inventor and because hes already made a product available in the mass market.
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Anyone else reckon Jim's 'charm' and sales patter was somewhat learnt through the classic self help books ie how to influence people etc etc? Arguably he would have had some natural ability as well!
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Congrats to the Tom :yy:
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(Original post by The Anti-Hero)
Absolutely. I predicted Tom simply from the Apprentice's desire to present a surprise winner. That works on a task-to-task basis (if a team is floundering badly earlier, they're probably going to win) and on a series winner basis, too.

But I think in this case, they chose the weaker candidate for the sake of a "shock winner" and that disappointed me.
I'd like to hear your explanation of this since Alan Sugar said if the prize was to get employed, then Helen would have walked it. Since it wasn't, Tom's experience of successfully taking a product to market put him ahead of Helen.

It takes balls for someone to go directly to a products buyer and basically demand to have face time with them. You need a lot of confidence in your product to be able to do that. I reckon that story (when Sugar said "I didn't think you had it in you, Tom") was what sealed the win for Tom.
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Glad Tom won , and also nice there might a deal between for Susan
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I'd like to hear your explanation of this since Alan Sugar said if the prize was to get employed, then Helen would have walked it. Since it wasn't, Tom's experience of successfully taking a product to market put him ahead of Helen.

It takes balls for someone to go directly to a products buyer and basically demand to have face time with them. You need a lot of confidence in your product to be able to do that. I reckon that story (when Sugar said "I didn't think you had it in you, Tom") was what sealed the win for Tom.
This simply reinforces my point. The win was sealed by something that he did before the show? He was better than Helen because he'd already took a product to market?

Then why the charade of the television process?
Helen was the overwhelming favourite because she was by far the most consistent performer throughout the entire series. EVERY SINGLE TASK was rendered superfluous by the fact Tom won, as you rightly say, on the back of his prior achievements.
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I think that with the change in what is being offered, Tom fits in well as the Winner. Had it been like it always has been then Helen would probably have been hired.

I think that they could have brought more into the plans earlier in the series though/
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Basically, Tom won, because he is not a smary, slimey scum bag, like the rest of the crooks that populate the show (and these types infiltrate london by the drones), he also does not have the insight of an ant. u could tell he was sincere.
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The problem is the first 10 episodes were The Apprentice. The last episode was Dragon's Den.

The Apprentice has no bearing on who would do well in Dragon's Den and vice versa. Therefore it was stupid and pointless.
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The Final was a disappointment this year, all of the candidates had more flaws then positives.

Ah well, bring on the Junior Apprentice. :ymca: :party:
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The Final was a disappointment this year, all of the candidates had more flaws then positives.

Ah well, bring on the Junior Apprentice. :ymca: :party:
This is true, if anything I thought that Jim's business idea was the best, but he wasn't the best to implement the idea.

Re: Junior Apprentice. You may have seen my post where I met Nick whilst they were filming it (He's managing the Red team), this was during a flower task, I'm just hoping that I get on TV, because at the last minute I offered them £5 to take the rest of the flowers off of their hands, which they refused. Although the person I spoke to originally said "You'll take my what?" as though I'd just said I'd kidnap her.. They were terrible, they were barely showing off that they were selling flowers. Although the group at Westfield seemed to be doing good business.
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Absolutely chuffed he won, was rooting Tom from 2nd episode. Mind you, wanted Edward to win first time because he was hilarious :rofl:
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But there's loads of beauty brands, some new, that are doing really well (and aren't Loreal, Olay etc). What about Lush, Body Shop, all the organic brands in Boots like Naked Detox, Sanctuary, Botanics. Then the "high class" ones like Molton Brown, L'Occitane...Doesn't seem to be that difficult.
It's probably the expense, difficulty and time required for brand establishment that concerned him. What will differentiate her product from the competition? Although it was 100% organic, when the major brands are pumping out advertisements all the time promising 'anti-ageing cream' etc. there is no guarantee of large-scale success. She wasn't penetrating a viable gap in the market with any unique business plan. I think it's also the unrealistic figures that played a key role in her rejection, as it demonstrated a lack of understanding of economics.
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