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    (Original post by Spiderman)
    Thanks for your response, it's much appreciated.
    No problem. If you have any specific questions, I'll do my best at giving an answer.

    As to your first point - would you say it was the Security Council that sanctioned the establishment of Israel then?[/QUOTE]

    The Security Council didn't pass the partition resolution - if it had it would have been binding.

    Or was it the Jewish people themselves who decided to take advantage of the power vacuum created by the receding British and declare their own independence as a separate state?
    Yes, I'd say that's a fair way of describing it.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    It had borders in the same way the Hindu Kush or Norfolk has borders, doesn't mean either of these places are countries
    Or alternatively, the same way Wales has borders?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Or alternatively, the same way Wales has borders?
    But Wales is a country :curious:
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    But Wales is a country :curious:
    Exactly my point. The whole "there's never been a Palestinian state" argument is ridiculous. There's never been an independent state called Wales either, but no-one considers this a valid argument against Welsh independence.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    But that's you supporting something "7000km" away?

    So is it only you who is allowed to support something 7000km away or do you just don't like Muslims?
    again , you are for some reason not able to understand straightforward points - it isnt "supporting something "7000km" away" to deal with a terrorist threat abroad. it is so however, for a corrupt uk politician to simply follow the agenda set by overseas arabs,- uk issues should be decided in the uk, not at the behest of groups abroad following islamist agendas

    and as i said, but you are ignoring, i would support an action that defends against groups that threaten us. assuming that you live here too, you should also shouldnt you ?
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    and as i said, but you are ignoring, i would support an action that defends against groups that threaten us. assuming that you live here too, you should also shouldnt you ?
    But the reason they are a threat to us is because we are a threat to them. We interfere with them, bomb them, massacre them and expect them to just sit back and "take it in".
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    But the reason they are a threat to us is because we are a threat to them. We interfere with them, bomb them, massacre them and expect them to just sit back and "take it in".
    You should have realised by now that Meenglishnogood treats them to be on par with IS, rather than being similar to the IRA.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You should have realised by now that Meenglishnogood treats them to be on par with IS, rather than being similar to the IRA.
    Well, the IRA weren't "Islamists" so he doesn't touch them with a barge pole....
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    But the reason they are a threat to us is because we are a threat to them. We interfere with them, bomb them, massacre them and expect them to just sit back and "take it in".
    we didnt interfere with any islamist group, until they attacked the west anyway. the west rightly has responded to islamist terrorism, there could have been no other outcome.

    in respect of ISIS specifically, they would continue their march of murder rape and taking salves in the middle east whether the west existed or not. it jsut so happens they hate the west too, just like

    and again even if they didnt hate the west and create terrorism there would still be a moral argument for attacking them, because islamists are abhorent people, bands of murderers and rapists, that cause problems accross the globe and are infact a stain on human civilisation
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You should have realised by now that Meenglishnogood treats them to be on par with IS, rather than being similar to the IRA.
    all islamists are on the same dregs level as each other (sunni ones anyway) with the same agendas and aims, and indeed tactics. islamists are the reason no resolution has been reached for palestine
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    all islamists are on the same dregs level as each other (sunni ones anyway) with the same agendas and aims, and indeed tactics. islamists are the reason no resolution has been reached for palestine
    So you're telling me that a group that fights for religious reasons, is likely to pose a threat to the west if they aren't dealt with properly and who commit severe crimes against humanity are no worse than those who fight for political reasons and freedom? Ok? So what's your position on the French, Russian and American revolutionaries?
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    we didnt interfere with any islamist group, until they attacked the west anyway. the west rightly has responded to islamist terrorism, there could have been no other outcome.

    in respect of ISIS specifically, they would continue their march of murder rape and taking salves in the middle east whether the west existed or not. it jsut so happens they hate the west too, just like

    and again even if they didnt hate the west and create terrorism there would still be a moral argument for attacking them, because islamists are abhorent people, bands of murderers and rapists, that cause problems accross the globe and are infact a stain on human civilisation
    Been living in a cave?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you're telling me that a group that fights for religious reasons, is likely to pose a threat to the west if they aren't dealt with properly and who commit severe crimes against humanity are no worse than those who fight for political reasons and freedom? Ok? So what's your position on the French, Russian and American revolutionaries?
    islamists are not 'revolutionaries' they are in fact the bane on modern human civilisation. they cause conflict without exception in pretty much every part of the world there are muslims. and the irony of it is, it is the muslim populations that suffer the most from their agendas. since they launched their 'war on the west' - count how many muslims they have gotten killed - human sacrifices.
    Hamas use the same principle, sacrifice human pawns in the grander scheme of trying to seize levantine land from the jews and christians - (this is the age old islamic imperial agenda is it not) . muslim life is a worthless commodity in the islamists ultimate gameplan.

    despite much of the world not really supporting israels actions, we all still recognise the problems in world caused by islamists - its only the muslim world that is brainwashed to not realise this reality
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    islamists are not 'revolutionaries' they are in fact the bane on modern human civilisation. they cause conflict without exception in pretty much every part of the world there are muslims. and the irony of it is, it is the muslim populations that suffer the most from their agendas. since they launched their 'war on the west' - count how many muslims they have gotten killed - human sacrifices.
    Hamas use the same principle, sacrifice human pawns in the grander scheme of trying to seize levantine land from the jews and christians - (this is the age old islamic imperial agenda is it not) . muslim life is a worthless commodity in the islamists ultimate gameplan.

    despite much of the world not really supporting israels actions, we all still recognise the problems in world caused by islamists - its only the muslim world that is brainwashed to not realise this reality
    So, clearly, any Muslims standing up to a figure of authority is a nasty Islamist. I guess you had fun during the Arab Spring?
    And the funny thing is you say that they are trying to seize land, how did they lose it in the first place? Oh, yeah, the Jews came along and cried a bit.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So, clearly, any Muslims standing up to a figure of authority is a nasty Islamist. I guess you had fun during the Arab Spring? .
    no, we are talking about the ideology of the islamist, nobody is standing up to authority - palestine is simply a land dispute based on religion- as hijacked by hamas and co. all other islamist involved conflicts follow this trend, because the ultimate aim of islamists has always been for land to be under 'islamic ' control. its a throw back to long time past islamic imperialsm.

    arab spring was didnt necessarrily involve islamists, just youths demanding western style democracy co-ordinating on facebook.
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)

    And the funny thing is you say that they are trying to seize land, how did they lose it in the first place? Oh, yeah, the Jews came along and cried a bit.
    to be histroically accurate, no the arabs lost that land a long time before, to the turks, who didnt give any arabs their own land.
    the turks then lost it to the british, who then actually did give the arabs their homelands, inc mecca , they also gave the jews their homeland ( something islamsits cannot to this day accept)
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    no, we are talking about the ideology of the islamist, nobody is standing up to authority - palestine is simply a land dispute based on religion-
    So, if there is religion involved in the mix somewhere they become those evil Islamists you so hate?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So, if there is religion involved in the mix somewhere they become those evil Islamists you so hate?
    not always, but in the case of islamists unfortunatly no good comes of their involvment. they try and shoehorn islamic dogma into modern political matters -generally by stirring up hatred
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    not always, but in the case of islamists unfortunatly no good comes of their involvment. they try and shoehorn islamic dogma into modern political matters -generally by stirring up hatred
    Well, you seem to do a very good job of roping Muslims into being Islamists if they're against anybody who isn't a Muslim.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Well, you seem to do a very good job of roping Muslims into being Islamists if they're against anybody who isn't a Muslim.
    i have said many times on this and other threads that islamists have control over the minds of vast numbers of muslims, and they also set the political agendas. e see very often on tsr, even on this thread various muslims spouting parrot fashion the mantras of islamists, so we know their control is far -reaching in the muslim population. why else do you think british muslims are so easily recruited to go fight their wars for them in iraq, afganistan syria and paelstine. so essentially any conflict where a muslim group is fighting with a non muslim group has some influence of islamists there.
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    i have said many times on this and other threads that islamists have control over the minds of vast numbers of muslims, and they also set the political agendas. e see very often on tsr, even on this thread various muslims spouting parrot fashion the mantras of islamists, so we know their control is far -reaching in the muslim population. why else do you think british muslims are so easily recruited to go fight their wars for them in iraq, afganistan syria and paelstine. so essentially any conflict where a muslim group is fighting with a non muslim group has some influence of islamists there.
    Because there are a lot of idiots and gullible saps out there? For a start, most devout religious people.
 
 
 
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