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    (Original post by jam278)
    Meh Madrid won the CL. But tbh they spent 150M including the most expensive player in the world, got 1 point more than they got last season in the league, came 1 position lower than they came in the league, won a cup final they were in last season and won the Bayern game.

    Mourinho would have probably done the same thing with that squad + Bale and selling Ozil tbh.
    Possibly but again, everyone and I mean everyone hated him in spain. I think he had to leave tbh, he'd used up all of his goodwill and now it would be very hard for him to do anything. He lost the dressing room, lost the media, lost even the president. Ex presidents were saying that they'd rather a cleaner manager madrid than mourinho continue, he was hated. He has the talent but something went seriously wrong in madrid.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Wenger speaks more freely about a player when they're unlikely to join. Who heard anything about Ozil, Monreal, Cazorla etc before they signed? Not a peep. Very little information actually leaks out of Arsenal compared with most clubs, probably because Wenger himself is in control of almost everything and keeps his cards close to his chest.

    Also, I'd much prefer Mandzukic to Benzema. Maybe even Bony.
    Why the last part?


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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Wenger speaks more freely about a player when they're unlikely to join. Who heard anything about Ozil, Monreal, Cazorla etc before they signed? Not a peep. Very little information actually leaks out of Arsenal compared with most clubs, probably because Wenger himself is in control of almost everything and keeps his cards close to his chest.

    Also, I'd much prefer Mandzukic to Benzema. Maybe even Bony.
    This. Benzeama has pretty much failed to meet his talent and will never live up to it.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Lol, Mourinho did spend a lot but don't be blinkered look how much Ancelotti spent this season, why are you using ad hominem and slander as well?

    Mourinho wouldn't have lost twice to Barcelona in the league and he wouldn't have lost at home to Atlético with that Real squad.

    Coming from a guy who likes Ancelotti, the league performance was poor game from him. Out of the three seasons Mourinho was there he only once got a lower points total than what Ancelotti got and had a worse team. Unless you think Ozil>Bale? Won't be surprised if you do though. :rolleyes:

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    :rofl:

    What did Mourinho do and how much did he spend. You chelae fan seriously can't deal with any criticism of mourinho even after Ancelotti did what he failed to do in his first go, you come up with some silly claims.
    'It's always the same with Mourinho. When things are going well, it's the result of his good work, but the players are to blame when things are going badly. He already lost the dressing room at Real Madrid because of that and I can see the same happen at Chelsea'' Johan Cruijff.

    :laugh:

    Cruijff has absolutely ruined Mourinho on many occasions tbh, Johann has got an even more vicious tongue than Jose when he wishes.
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    (Original post by Complex Simplicity)
    Possibly but again, everyone and I mean everyone hated him in spain. I think he had to leave tbh, he'd used up all of his goodwill and now it would be very hard for him to do anything. He lost the dressing room, lost the media, lost even the president. Ex presidents were saying that they'd rather a cleaner manager madrid than mourinho continue, he was hated. He has the talent but something went seriously wrong in madrid.
    That's true he pissed off the whole of spain. He had to leave because he lost the dressing room though but tbh they'd probably just blow it off. They weren't divided as a dressing room when they got their **** together in the second half of the season. He only completely lost the dressing room after the defeat to Dortmund. They were probably willing to let him go on if they'd won la decima.

    Lets be honest here, they could have sacked him right after the Villanova poke but they let him stay on, they won the league and the likes of Casillas were saying he's the best manager in the world, they're a fickle club with fickle players.
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    Big debate going on over benzema and balotelli as much as I see what do you lot reckon?


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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Why the last part?


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    I honestly dont think Ive ever seen Benzema truly impress me. Even if he scores 2 he'll have missed 4 chances he should have scored.

    Mandzukic is a striker who'll go to war for you in the big games. Hard working, strong, good finisher etc. We can do good things with him.

    Bony is a very competent striker as well. Not top class but could get 20+ goals for us easily.
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    Big debate going on over benzema and balotelli as much as I see what do you lot reckon?


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    Either. Benzema has a better attitude I guess but he can be seen as lazy as well. He usually gets a lot of assists so the play can go through him and he'll set up Walcott/AOC and get a good goal tally as well. Ozil feeding him ofc would help too.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Lol, Mourinho did spend a lot but don't be blinkered look how much Ancelotti spent this season, why are you using ad hominem and slander as well?

    Mourinho wouldn't have lost twice to Barcelona in the league and he wouldn't have lost at home to Atlético with that Real squad.

    Coming from a guy who likes Ancelotti, the league performance was poor game from him. Out of the three seasons Mourinho was there he only once got a lower points total than what Ancelotti got and had a worse team. Unless you think Ozil>Bale? Won't be surprised if you do though. :rolleyes:
    Where did I use ad hom?

    These are just silly claims. How can you guarantee that he wouldn't have lost? The last 3 games he played against Atletico- 1D 2L- both losses were home game for him as well. He had pretty much the same squad and lets not forget that Ancellotti had to deal without having Khedira and Alonso for a large period.

    You're making too many silly claims lately.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    I honestly dont think Ive ever seen Benzema truly impress me. Even if he scores 2 he'll have missed 4 chances he should have scored.

    Mandzukic is a striker who'll go to war for you in the big games. Hard working, strong, good finisher etc. We can do good things with him.

    Bony is a very competent striker as well. Not top class but could get 20+ goals for us easily.
    What about Ballotelli (leaving the mentality aside)


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    (Original post by jam278)
    Either. Benzema has a better attitude I guess but he can be seen as lazy as well. He usually gets a lot of assists so the play can go through him and he'll set up Walcott/AOC and get a good goal tally as well. Ozil feeding him ofc would help too.
    Yh but one could argue balotellis peak is much higher and he's quicker too. While benzema does provide good link up play we'd be relying on Walcott being fit again for that pace in the final third. Plus benzema has proved he goes missing in big games and we have enough of those players whereas balotelli has performed in the big games.


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    (Original post by AR_95)
    What about Ballotelli (leaving the mentality aside)


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    I'd take him, definitely more of a big game player than Giroud. But you wont get the required level out of him over a season. Would pay £25m probably, no more.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Where did I use ad hom?

    These are just silly claims. How can you guarantee that he wouldn't have lost? The last 3 games he played against Atletico- 1D 2L- both losses were home game for him as well. He had pretty much the same squad and lets not forget that Ancellotti had to deal without having Khedira and Alonso for a large period.

    You're making too many silly claims lately.
    You saying that I can't take any Mourinho criticism as I'm a Chelsea fan.

    Not really, you're picking up stats when Mourinho is using Chelsea for two of those games. Don't be ridiculous here, there is a clear difference in quality between Chelsea and Real Madrid, you know it and I know it too. Also aren't you the one who was saying that Chelsea didn't beat Bayern at home because it was a CL final or was it Sevchenko? So why are you using a cup final as to how Mourinho messed up against Atlético?

    Lets face it you're in the wrong and you're chatting nonsense. I provided facts that are relevant, you've provided facts that are not relevant to the discussion.
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    (Original post by 419)
    The so called ITK say he had zero say in Jonker's appointment. So that's that but it's silly to say we should stop brining in unknown name. There's no problem with brining in unknown names is when they're not complemented by bringing established players that creates problems.
    Yeah ofc we can't rely on those type of players anymore and it would be incompetent to, especially with our financial position now.

    Jonkers appointment is well done tbh, particularly with Brady staying to ease the transition. Thats the way I envision Arsene leaving, him fading away would be better for the club imo since atm he is in control of a lot and I can't help but feel that would overwhelm a new manager with other added expectations too. Either Wenger stays in the background for a while or works with the new manager to implement more delegation straight away.

    (Original post by Zürich)
    Wenger speaks more freely about a player when they're unlikely to join. Who heard anything about Ozil, Monreal, Cazorla etc before they signed? Not a peep. Very little information actually leaks out of Arsenal compared with most clubs, probably because Wenger himself is in control of almost everything and keeps his cards close to his chest.

    Also, I'd much prefer Mandzukic to Benzema. Maybe even Bony.
    I've always wondered how he manages to keep it on the down-low. Reckon the media will end up linking us with all available players by the end of the summer just on the off chance they can get one right and can celebrate.

    We should be all over Bony, i rate him a lot.
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    I have a feeling Ballotelli could be a good player for us. With our finances sorted we can afford to pay him good wages and I think all this talk about him mentality is just a scarce. The player is young and has lots of time to mature. I think Wenger could get the best out of him and our squad would just feed him goals. He's been quite low key recently so I don't see him being too expensive (unless he has another good World Cup).


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    Also, neutral point of view from me. Mourinho would've won the treble with Bale in the team. Think about it, Ancelotti essentially used Mou's counter attacking tactics against Bayern and destroyed them. He would've won the big games and as Jam said would've rolled over the small teams with CR7 and Bale etc. He wouldn't have lost twice to Barca, he wouldn't have got just a point from Atleti. So there's realistically 7 more points there (would've got 4 from both Barca and Atletico) so a comfortable league win. It's not even up for debate tbh.

    Madrid are essentially just an upgraded Chelsea bar the defence- essentially Bale and Ronaldo are better versions of Hazard and Willian (though Hazard will reach Bale levels most likely). Mourinho is the best manager in the world imo. He wins the big games and with the right team (and with Costa next year) will win against smaller clubs. Basically next year Chelsea will be how they were in 04-06, maybe slightly down but to the same effect.


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    (Original post by jam278)
    That's true he pissed off the whole of spain. He had to leave because he lost the dressing room though but tbh they'd probably just blow it off. They weren't divided as a dressing room when they got their **** together in the second half of the season. He only completely lost the dressing room after the defeat to Dortmund. They were probably willing to let him go on if they'd won la decima.

    Lets be honest here, they could have sacked him right after the Villanova poke but they let him stay on, they won the league and the likes of Casillas were saying he's the best manager in the world, they're a fickle club with fickle players.
    Of course they're a fickle club, but the Mou story was a bit more complicated.
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    It was in January that Casillas and Ramos protested against him to Florentino and asked for him to be sacked. Then just before the clásico Mou started searching the players' personal belongings because he thought there was a mole, which led to Casillas starting a fight with him. Just before the BVB game Mou called the Spanish players traitors and suggested they were conspiring with the press. What happened after the Dortmund game and what was the decisive factor was that he himself went to Florentino and asked for several players to be sold for he considered them "traitors", which was the final straw.

    All this is according to Marca rumours of course.


    So he probably was toxic. And regardless of that, RM had to get rid of him. It was thanks to him that they got the worst reputation in Spain in many many years with regard to fair play, something which RM emphasise LOADS with their el señorío bull****. Décima or not, the board would have rebelled against him.

    Saying that, even if he hadn't been sacked, I doubt he would have continued. You could see he absolutely hated being ripped apart by the press for his playing style and philosophy.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    You saying that I can't take any Mourinho criticism as I'm a Chelsea fan.

    Not really, you're picking up stats when Mourinho is using Chelsea for two of those games. Don't be ridiculous here, there is a clear difference in quality between Chelsea and Real Madrid, you know it and I know it too. Also aren't you the one who was saying that Chelsea didn't beat Bayern at home because it was a CL final or was it Sevchenko? So why are you using a cup final as to how Mourinho messed up against Atlético?

    Lets face it you're in the wrong and you're chatting nonsense. I provided facts that are relevant, you've provided facts that are not relevant to the discussion.
    If that's as dom, damn! Like oly god DAMN!!!!

    Well you'e the one belittling what Ancelotti's done when Mourinho had 3 bites at it. Yet, I'm the one chatting nonsense whilst you're stating fact? Where's the fact that Mourinho wouldn't have lost twice to Barca and wouldn't have lost at home to Atletico. How did his last home game against Atletico go?

    Trying to put words in my mouth now eh?

    Lol? Bring up where I said that. Tbh if I was you, I wouldn't go down that route of calling people out. You say way too many silly things and I wouldn't have to go too far down. Heck it's on this page.

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    If that's as dom, damn! Like oly god DAMN!!!!

    Well you'e the one belittling what Ancelotti's done when Mourinho had 3 bites at it. He's also done a 14 goal swing on Bayern. Yet, I'm the one chatting nonsense whilst you're stating fact? Where's the fact that Mourinho wouldn't have lost twice to Barca and wouldn't have lost at home to Atletico. How did his last home game against Atletico go?

    Trying to put words in my mouth now eh?

    Lol? Bring up where I said that. Tbh if I was you, I wouldn't go down that route of calling people out. You say way too many silly things and I wouldn't have to go too far down. Heck it's on this page.

    Logicczkkkkzzzzzzssssss
    Bayern were way better the year before pep took over I don't know why everyone fooled themselves into thinking otherwise. If something's not broken dont try to fix it.


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