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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    There already is a 2 state solution.

    jews have israel.

    they have the west bank and gaza
    You mean: The Jews have Israel, and they ALSO have the West Bank and Gaza (or close enough to)?
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    (Original post by littleangel9914)
    Yes as combining the two would never work most probable leading to a civil war torn wasteland. See as some have highlighted in this thread the pro-Palestinian side simple do not believe Israel has the right to exist and due to this attitude peace will not exist no matter what Israel's foreign policies are.
    The Arabs and HAMAS have no problem with a Jewish State...

    ...so as long as it isn't in their backyard or it didn't come as a result of mass illegal immigration and acts of terrorism...
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean: The Jews have Israel, and they ALSO have the West Bank and Gaza (or close enough to)?
    "they" being the muslims
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    (Original post by Benjobox)
    Oh yes, that'd be marvellous wouldn't it. The Jews would soon be heavily outnumbered and Hamas would be 'elected' to govern the state. This would mean waving goodbye to liberal democracy, to gay rights, to women's rights and to religious freedoms.

    We'd have yet another Jew-hating terrorist-controlled Arab country to wage war on America.

    Oh it'd be bliss.
    Well, you can't pick and choose whom you want democracy extended to? That would be undemocratic...

    Please elaborate. If we're going to attribute terrorism to one specific religion, I don't think it's Judaism.

    You clearly believe the occupants of Israel (the Jews) are 'settlers' but you haven't stated whether you'd term the Palestinian occupants for the 400 odd years up until 1948 'settlers' too.
    I stated that the SS came as a result of mass illegal immigration and acts of terrorism by certain Jews...
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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    "they" being the muslims
    So Jews are Muslims now :confused:
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    If democracy is the way to go, a one state solution is the best way to do it.
    I think you need to look up the word democracy mate. It doesn't involve mass immigration of aliens and allowing them to vote. That'd be closer to a coup. You're also completely ignoring the fact that neither the Jordanians or Egyptians would tolerate sharing borders with Palestinians

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean: The Jews have Israel, and they ALSO have the West Bank and Gaza (or close enough to)?
    The Israelis have Israel. In no way to they 'also' or 'close enough' have the West Bank and Gaza.
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    (Original post by samba)
    I think you need to look up the word democracy mate. It doesn't involve mass immigration of aliens and allowing them to vote. That'd be closer to a coup. You're also completely ignoring the fact that neither the Jordanians or Egyptians would tolerate sharing borders with Palestinians
    Ironic, huh? Given the way the SS came about? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by samba)
    The Israelis have Israel. In no way to they 'also' or 'close enough' have the West Bank and Gaza.
    Well, they hold almost half of the West Bank, have significant indirect control over Gaza and are unlikely to leave the political system in the OPT if they don't like the election results, as they have shown before.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Ironic, huh? Given the way Israel came about? :rolleyes:
    And the Roman Empire, and the Ottoman empire, and so many other civilizations in history. One thing's for sure though, they didn't get invited in through charity.

    The idea of 'Palestinian national identity' didn't even develop until after Zionism, and certainly wasn't strong or developed in any way until the PA. They've already tried and failed a coup in Jordan though; good luck with Israel
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    (Original post by samba)
    And the Roman Empire, and the Ottoman empire, and so many other civilizations in history. One thing's for sure though, they didn't get invited in through charity.

    The idea of 'Palestinian national identity' didn't even develop until after Zionism, and certainly wasn't strong or developed in any way until the PA. They've already tried and failed a coup in Jordan though; good luck with Israel
    Your first sentence doesn't make sense.

    You seem to not understand the difference between immigration following the conquering of a region and abusing the hospitality of the natives through mass illegal immigration and terrorism.

    It's not the first time a supporter of the SS has failed to appreciate that fact....
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    (Original post by Benjobox)
    And the Jews get turfed out and left at the mercy of Hamas (who would presumably govern a state of Palestine?)
    MR ISRAELI, we all know what you really want to hear 'let the jews have it all, one state' the end.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Your first sentence doesn't make sense.

    You seem to not understand the difference between immigration following the conquering of a region and abusing the hospitality of the natives through mass illegal immigration and terrorism.

    It's not the first time a supporter of the SS has failed to appreciate that fact....
    Yes it did. Anyway, refer back to my first post as to why you're not worth responding to. You got a chance to discuss things intelligently and respectfully with me, and failed dismally to take it.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Well, you can't pick and choose whom you want democracy extended to? That would be undemocratic...



    I stated that the SS came as a result of mass illegal immigration and acts of terrorism by certain Jews...
    Uhm, yes we can. (Or rather, America can.) It is not democratic to stand by and allow an oppressive undemocratic theocracy to develop - as would surely be the case.

    And we can debate for hours over the turn of events that led to the UN making Israel a Jewish state. It was clearly an extreme example of imperialism, but whether terrorism was involved is debatable. What is known though is that many Arabs valued Jewish immigration into what was a barren desolate region, and were more than happy to accept the generous offers made for their land.

    We do have to remember, that of the Palestinians who'd move into Israel (if it was replaced by a state of Palestine), very few actually occupied the land prior to 1948. A very small proportion indeed. In fact, of the 700,000 or so Arabs that fled Palestine, the number still alive today would surely be in the tens of thousands, if that.

    On the other hand, there are around 6 million Jews in Israel - all of whom would be forced out. 6 million people made homeless.

    There's no easy solution to this. Maybe we should just 'give it back' to the Romans.. :P
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    (Original post by user1150)
    MR ISRAELI, we all know what you really want to hear 'let the jews have it all, one state' the end.
    I'm not Israeli. But I am a supporter of democracy, equal rights and religious freedoms, and so I suppose I have a vested interest in that respect.

    And, perhaps surprisingly for you, in theory I support a two-state solution. However in practise it would never work, because of the fact that Muslims so heavily outnumber Jews, in the region of 100:1. If Jews are to continue living in their homeland (or the Middle East in general,) Israel needs to exist.

    By the way some talk about it, it's as if Israel comprises the bulk of the Middle East. In actual fact though, it takes up some 0.1% of the area of that region.
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    No, the so called "Jews" should live under Palestinian rule. If they don't like it they can go back to Europe or North America.
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    (Original post by al_94)
    No, the so called "Jews" should live under Palestinian rule. If they don't like it they can go back to Europe or North America.
    Just like how the muslim population should live under british rule in the UK, under british values and principles, not trying to impose your ideals into every aspect of our way of life. If you don't like it you know where the door is.

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    the israelis did not kidnap them and hold them for ransom and then behead them with a knife.
    this is nothing alike the deaths of journalists at the hands of isis.
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    (Original post by broscience123)
    Israel Killed 7 Journalists During The Gaza Massacre, Where's The Outrage?

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...alists-in-gaza



    Everyone knows the names of James Foley and Steven Sotloff, but how many people know the names of the journalists which were killed by Israel?
    Because they wern't decapitated on a video which went viral worldwide.
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    Sounds more like indiscriminate bombing rather than deliberate beheading released on video.
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    those journalists were killed in an israeli airstrike against hamas, meaning they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. they were not deliberatley targeted by israel

    do yourself a favour and delete this thread and save yourself embarressment
 
 
 
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