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    Israel said they were going to bomb Gaza locations with Hamas missiles. Journalists know the risk of being in an area designated for bombardment. However regarding ISIS they have been known to cross the border into Turkey and kidnap journalists from the refugee camps.

    ISIS have kidnapped more journalists, way more than Israel have killed. So tell me who is worse now because these prisoners are obviously being tortured and all await public execution(well unless a ransom is payed to which will be used to kidnap 100 more people).
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    Israelis generally aren't Muslims, so the media doesn't want to make them look bad, obviously.
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    (Original post by The Right)
    Just like how the muslim population should live under british rule in the UK, under british values and principles, not trying to impose your ideals into every aspect of our way of life. If you don't like it you know where the door is.

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    They do live under British rule? Everyone in this country does. It also looks as if you are trying to suggest that muslims don't deserve the same human rights as the rest of us, why?
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    Good to see the ISIS support fanboys in action.😨
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    (Original post by caravaggio2)
    Good to see the ISIS support fanboys in action.������
    Ah yes, having a concern for journalists who have been ruthlessly killed means you are an ISIS fanboy? Ohhh boy, this logic hurts.
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    (Original post by broscience123)
    Nice bro, that's the sort of comment I expected from someone who supports a terrorist organisation (IDF). Obviously the death of innocent people mean nothing to you.
    I honestly doubt you really care, any negative thing israel do is just ammunition for you to spam the forum with. Also, I don't support the IDF.
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    (Original post by Benjobox)
    Oh yes, that'd be marvellous wouldn't it. The Jews would soon be heavily outnumbered and Hamas would be 'elected' to govern the state. This would mean waving goodbye to liberal democracy, to gay rights, to women's rights and to religious freedoms.

    We'd have yet another Jew-hating terrorist-controlled Arab country to wage war on America.

    Oh it'd be bliss.
    So what do you suggest?
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    (Original post by samba)
    Yes it did. Anyway, refer back to my first post as to why you're not worth responding to. You got a chance to discuss things intelligently and respectfully with me, and failed dismally to take it.
    Your loss.
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    (Original post by Benjobox)
    Uhm, yes we can. (Or rather, America can.) It is not democratic to stand by and allow an oppressive undemocratic theocracy to develop - as would surely be the case.
    The people have spoken. The will of the people must be observed.

    Oh wait...You don't like democracy in that circumstance? What a shame! :rolleyes:

    And we can debate for hours over the turn of events that led to the UN making Israel a Jewish state. It was clearly an extreme example of imperialism, but whether terrorism was involved is debatable. What is known though is that many Arabs valued Jewish immigration into what was a barren desolate region, and were more than happy to accept the generous offers made for their land.
    Did "many Arabs value" a Jewish State?

    We do have to remember, that of the Palestinians who'd move into Israel (if it was replaced by a state of Palestine), very few actually occupied the land prior to 1948. A very small proportion indeed. In fact, of the 700,000 or so Arabs that fled Palestine, the number still alive today would surely be in the tens of thousands, if that.
    There are an estimated 5 million Palestinian refugees.

    On the other hand, there are around 6 million Jews in Israel - all of whom would be forced out. 6 million people made homeless.
    Can a squatter cry wolf when he is kicked out of the house he is occupying?

    There's no easy solution to this. Maybe we should just 'give it back' to the Romans.. :P
    That would just be stupid. We should give it back to those whose people who were subjected to mass illegal immigration and acts of terrorism.
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    In this country there are paedophiles (bear with me on this one) and some of those are Christian, some are Muslim, some are atheist and some are Jewish. Criticising and highlighting the activities of paedophiles is, of course, an entirely reasonable activity to engage in. But suppose someone established an organisation whose focus was exclusively and entirely on Muslim paedophiles. They ignored or minimised the paedophilia of any other group and focused entirely on the paedophilia of Muslims and exaggerated their crimes. I think we might rightly conclude that the founders and members of that organisation were rather more interested in spreading hate of Muslims than in stopping paedophilia.

    I think this thread (and many many others) is a lot like that.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    The people have spoken. The will of the people must be observed.

    Oh wait...You don't like democracy in that circumstance? What a shame! :rolleyes:



    Did "many Arabs value" a Jewish State?



    There are an estimated 5 million Palestinian refugees.



    Can a squatter cry wolf when he is kicked out of the house he is occupying?



    That would just be stupid. We should give it back to those whose people who were subjected to mass illegal immigration and acts of terrorism.
    Wow, jeez, you need to educate yourself on the concept of democracy. Hamas, whilst allegedly winning an election in Gaza 8 years ago, are not democratic in any sense of the word. Its about far more than claiming a victory in a dubious election, on the basis of a wicked, vicious and untruth-ridden campaign.

    How many Palestinians are there alive who lived in the Land of Israel prior to 1948? The answer is very few - and certainly trivial compared to the number of Israeli Jews who'd be forced out.

    You're posting utter nonsense. The Jews are no more squatters than the Palestinians were, or in fact the Romans were. If we're serious about giving the land back to its 'rightful owner,' we need to go far further back..
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    (Original post by Benjobox)
    Wow, jeez, you need to educate yourself on the concept of democracy. Hamas, whilst allegedly winning an election in Gaza 8 years ago, are not democratic in any sense of the word. Its about far more than claiming a victory in a dubious election, on the basis of a wicked, vicious and untruth-ridden campaign.
    What is "alleged" about their election victory? Despite the best attempts by the SS and the PA to disrupt the people from casting their votes for HAMAS by engaging in shady and dirty tactics, HAMAS still won by a landslide.

    How many Palestinians are there alive who lived in the Land of Israel prior to 1948? The answer is very few - and certainly trivial compared to the number of Israeli Jews who'd be forced out.
    No one will be "forced out". There will be due process and matters will be settled by the court under the law.

    I don't get why you are so hostile to the idea.

    You're posting utter nonsense. The Jews are no more squatters than the Palestinians were, or in fact the Romans were. If we're serious about giving the land back to its 'rightful owner,' we need to go far further back..
    a) The Jews conquered the Canaanite.
    b) The Romans conquered the Jews.
    c) The Arabs conquered the "Romans".
    d) The Zionists immigrated and then demanded a state.


    Which one is the "odd one out"?
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    (Original post by HeritageofEurope)
    the israelis did not kidnap them and hold them for ransom and then behead them with a knife.
    this is nothing alike the deaths of journalists at the hands of isis.

    (Original post by broscience123)
    Israel Killed 7 Journalists During The Gaza Massacre, Where's The Outrage?

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...alists-in-gaza


    Everyone knows the names of James Foley and Steven Sotloff, but how many people know the names of the journalists which were killed by Israel?
    akhi there was outrage a great deal. and they didnt behead them with a knife or do it intentionally on video as we know. or
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    (Original post by tsr1269)



    a) The Jews conquered the Canaanite.
    b) The Romans conquered the Jews.
    c) The Arabs conquered the "Romans".
    d) The Zionists immigrated and then demanded a state.


    Which one is the "odd one out"?
    I detect a step missing between c and d, where the Ottomans conquered the Arabs. Then again, I guess it doesn't fit in with your objective retelling of events, so feel free to ignore this in your attempt to oversimplify history in order to forward your argument.
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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    I detect a step missing between c and d, where the Ottomans conquered the Arabs. Then again, I guess it doesn't fit in with your objective retelling of events, so feel free to ignore this in your attempt to oversimplify history in order to forward your argument.
    Except there is still contains that common word "conquer", so the argument still holds as it is being made.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except there is still contains that common word "conquer", so the argument still holds as it is being made.
    Yes, but the statement has been omitted with the malicious intent to make it appear as though the Arabs had control of the land at the time when its future was being decided. Not to mention the fact that the last statement is oversimplified to the point of being erroneous. Things don't happen unless someone big has some kind of interest in them.
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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    I detect a step missing between c and d, where the Ottomans conquered the Arabs. Then again, I guess it doesn't fit in with your objective retelling of events, so feel free to ignore this in your attempt to oversimplify history in order to forward your argument.
    Yes, I also skipped out the following:

    Ancient Egyptians
    Philistines
    Tjekker
    Assyrians
    Babylonians
    Persians
    Ancient Greeks
    Byzantium
    Arabs/Ottomans*Crusaders
    British
    Hashemite Kingdom
    Egyptians


    *And if you really want to split hairs on the Arabs/Ottomans:

    Umayyads
    Abbasids
    Seljuks
    Fatimids
    Ayyubids
    Mamluks
    Ottomans.



    Oh look, it seems you thought there were 5 steps when in fact, there are at least a dozen. You are proved incorrect yet again, but hey, thanks for pointing that out...
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    Israeli forces detail a 7 year old boy.

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...e-9705378.html :

    [BRobert Fisk: And it raises an interesting precedent. If an innocent Israeli life – cruelly taken – is worth around 330 acres of land, then an innocent Palestinian life – equally cruelly taken – must surely equal the same. And if even half the 2,200 Palestinian dead of Gaza last month – and this is a conservative figure – were innocent, then the Palestinians presumably now have the right to take over 330,000 acres of Israeli land, in reality much more. But however “counter-productive” this might be, I’m sure America would not stand for it. Israel takes land, Palestinians lose land; that’s the way it works. And thus it has been since 1948, and that is how it will continue.[/B]
 
 
 
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