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- 02-02-2016 20:30
(Original post by mobbsy91)
Mmm, nothing to do with the state of what he released as SoS for Defence then
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It seems the TSR Banter Party is alive already, and in government too!
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- 02-02-2016 20:31
(Original post by PetrosAC)
If it was to do with the SOI, it would have happened then
I thought we'd get this reaction. Rather than judging him from his previous actions, judge him by what he produces in the role. -
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God save us all, Aph when are you going to invite the leaders of ISIS to take over the nation? -
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I thought we'd get this reaction. Rather than judging him from his previous actions, judge him by what he produces in the role.
That's like saying, should we let a killer sleep in our house. Let's make that decision on what he does next (bit too late by then potentially...) or shall we make that decision based on past history. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:34
(Original post by mobbsy91)
Now now... anyone answering that would have no choice but to put themselves in a position of getting a card
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I thought we'd get this reaction. Rather than judging him from his previous actions, judge him by what he produces in the role. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:35
(Original post by mobbsy91)
Not necessarily - could be trying to deflect our suspicion away from this reasoning...
From this, can we assume that he'd got stuff ready to release to the House? Otherwise, how can we judge him at this time on what he's produced, because he's not done anything yet... therefore, we kind of have to judge him on previous actions.
That's like saying, should we let a killer sleep in our house. Let's make that decision on what he does next (bit too late by then potentially...) or shall we make that decision based on past history.
I don't think Aph's quite as bad as a murderer.
He doesn't have anything on Defence as of yet, but I'm confident enough in his capabilities. If I wasn't I wouldn't have appointed him. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:35
(Original post by PetrosAC)
Aph has been appointed Secretary of State for Defence, replacing thehistorybore who will continue as Secretary of State for Justice -
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- 02-02-2016 20:36
(Original post by Life_peer)
I can only hope questions are okay. Seriously though, I know THB was a mediocre SoS at best but this is a whole new level of despair. If this were the real deal, I'd suspect Aph knows some dirty secrets about Petros and uses them to blackmail him.
We've already seen his ‘brilliant’ output too many times! How many proofs do you need to finally and rightfully write someone off?!
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IF he is actually able to produce anything in his role I would be concerned... -
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- 02-02-2016 20:37
(Original post by Life_peer)
I can only hope questions are okay. Seriously though, I know THB was a mediocre SoS at best but this is a whole new level of despair. If this were the real deal, I'd suspect Aph knows some dirty secrets about Petros and uses them to blackmail him.
We've already seen his ‘brilliant’ output too many times! How many proofs do you need to finally and rightfully write someone off?!
I don't think Aph's quite as bad as a murderer.
He doesn't have anything on Defence as of yet, but I'm confident enough in his capabilities. If I wasn't I wouldn't have appointed him. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:39
(Original post by mobbsy91)
True - as my old History teacher used to say, if you can't be rude to someone to their face, just ask someone if you're allowed to be!
In the interest of not getting a card, I withhold any comment at this time.
Again, I withhold any comment at this time, in the interest of a clean slate right now.
Whilst you might be confident, considering he has not put anything forward as of yet, it is quite unreasonable for you to expect the rest of us to not look at the past, when there's nothing in the future to look at. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:40
Aph will have to get any SoI or Bill through Government first, I am sure we, the Government, and the new SoS for Defence can work on something reasonable which both sides can support.
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- 02-02-2016 20:41
(Original post by PetrosAC)
Fair enough. But you can't expect me to not defend his appointment by telling you to be patient
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Aph will have to get any SoI or Bill through Government first, I am sure we, the Government, and the new SoS for Defence can work on something reasonable which both sides can support. -
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I see PetrosAC has appointed a pacifist to command the department tasked with defending Britain, running British military involvements around the world, and looking after the tools underpinning Britain's hard power. But this appointment is made in desperation, the Liberals do not have any other active members willing to take on this post, Aph is the last active member the ailing Liberals have. The alternative of losing the cabinet position to Labour does not fit in with the Liberals' desire to grab as much virtual power as the party can. Labour must be loving the appointment of an extreme-left member to the role of Secretary of State for Defence, it proves the Liberals are cannon fodder in a Labour coalition.
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- 02-02-2016 20:47
(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
I see PetrosAC has appointed a pacifist to command the department tasked with defending Britain, running British military involvements around the world, and looking after the tools underpinning Britain's hard power. But this appointment is made in desperation, the Liberals do not have any other active members willing to take on this post, Aph is the last active member the ailing Liberals have. The alternative of losing the cabinet position to Labour does not fit in with the Liberals' desire to grab as much virtual power as the party can. Labour must be loving the appointment of an extreme-left member to the role of Secretary of State for Defence, it proves the Liberals are cannon fodder in a Labour coalition. -
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- 02-02-2016 20:48
(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Because unless the rest of the government is as disturbed as Aph the won't be producing much, and what he does will be severely neutered. I suppose your brains could have all turned to mush over the last month, judging by the budget they're well on the way.
(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
I see PetrosAC has appointed a pacifist to command the department tasked with defending Britain, running British military involvements around the world, and looking after the tools underpinning Britain's hard power. But this appointment is made in desperation as the Liberal do not have any other active members willing to take on this post; losing the cabinet position to Labour does not fit in with the Liberals' desire to grab as much virtual power as the party can. Labour must be loving the appointment of an extreme-left member to the role of Secretary of State for Defence, it proves the Liberals are cannon fodder in a Labour coalition.
Regardless, I look forward to proving you wrong. -
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I suppose at least on the Government's side there is no longer going to be issues between the Treasury and MoD over Trident. -
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(Original post by PetrosAC)
We've already established some policy before Aph was appointed internally, so I fully expect him to carry on that line of work whilst adding his own twist to it
If I felt there was no one in my party capable of taking on the role to a sufficient standard, I would have requested a Swap with Labour for another ministry, like I did with the Chancellorship and Foreign Affairs. To claim we're trying to grab virtual power is therefore absurd. We're already established internal policy that I expect Aph to carry on whilst adding his own ideas into the mix. Any Policy released will have majority Government support, so to claim that we're suddenly going to be adopting pacifist policies is incorrect.
Regardless, I look forward to proving you wrong.
I would like you to explain why you think a pacifist who has proposed abolishing the military, and has admitted to not knowing a lot about military equipment is a good appointment to be Secretary of State for Defence when you have members in your party who support renewing Trident. The move to appoint Aph is clearly a move to appoint any active Liberal MP who wants a position because handing over another position makes the Liberals weaker, unable to fulfil their duties.
toronto353 As a member of the Liberals who supports renewing Trident, and believes in Britain having adequate military defences, do you support the appointment of a pacifist who has advocated abolishing the military to the role of Secretary of State for Defence?
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