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Four things that unis think matter more than league tables 08-12-2016
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Really? None were major? Allowing millions of people the same rights as straight people isn't major? Investing £2.5billion extra into education, targeting disadvantaged areas isn't major? Taking so many people on low incomes out of tax or at least giving them a tax cut isn't major?

    The Bedroom tax, theoretically, is a good idea. It's just that the way it was implemented was absolutely awful. I won't defend that.

    The financial crash in the UK wasn't Labour's fault - but they made it a lot worse.



    Well, you would say that (Haven't had a chance to reply to your comment from DPMQ's in the bar. Will do so now)
    No, none were major in the sense that none outweighed the huge devastation of the repeater cuts to the poor and disabled.
    And taking poor people pit of tax is lovely but it means nothing if you then cripple the public services that they so rely on. There were so far greater tax reductions to corporations and wealthy individuals than to the poor, all of which the lib dems supported.

    Again lib dems voted for the bedroom tax not once but twice, even after seeing how awfully it was being implemented. Why?

    Also why did the lib dems not vote down Lansley's dreadful health bill which even Cameron admitted that he was surprised to see it get through.
    How did Labour make it a lot worse? There the myth that you parrotted on a weekly basis. It was constantly 'labour's mess' and by doing so you helped set back keynesian economics a generation. Now anyone who so much as mentions government investment is labelled as a reckless socialist.


    You're still not answering why the lib dems went on with the tory narrative of 'cuts, cuts, cuts' rather than insisting in a Keynesian approach to stimulate the economy.

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The financial crash in the UK wasn't Labour's fault - but they made it a lot worse.
    D-: show your working
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I only say that because I took a look at the 2010 Tory manifesto to see just how much the Lib Dems had diluted it and was struck by just how extremist the government you're the Deputy Leader of actually is. 0.25% on foreign aid? Seriously?
    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    There are plenty of countries that receive aid that do not need it, and there are other countries that do not spend the money wisely. The Government prefers to finance NGO's that can provide aid for people rather than corrupt Governments.


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    Reducing the level of overseas aid is a UKIP nasty policy. You can channel overseas aid via NGOs and still meet the UN target.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    No, none were major in the sense that none outweighed the huge devastation of the repeater cuts to the poor and disabled.
    And taking poor people pit of tax is lovely but it means nothing if you then cripple the public services that they so rely on. There were so far greater tax reductions to corporations and wealthy individuals than to the poor, all of which the lib dems supported.

    Again lib dems voted for the bedroom tax not once but twice, even after seeing how awfully it was being implemented. Why?

    Also why did the lib dems not vote down Lansley's dreadful health bill which even Cameron admitted that he was surprised to see it get through.
    How did Labour make it a lot worse? There the myth that you parrotted on a weekly basis. It was constantly 'labour's mess' and by doing so you helped set back keynesian economics a generation. Now anyone who so much as mentions government investment is labelled as a reckless socialist.

    You're still not answering why the lib dems went on with the tory narrative of 'cuts, cuts, cuts' rather than insisting in a Keynesian approach to stimulate the economy.

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    The coalition in general did change tack economically in 2012 with significant capital spending (while rightly maintaining cuts to current spending - not every pound cut and spent delivers the same economic cost/benefit). I'm not sure the Libs really had the power to force a pure spending approach on Osbourne and i imagine the coalition was contingent on Osbourne being Chancellor. Alexander did a brilliant job though, an unsung hero.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The coalition in general did change tack economically in 2012 with significant capital spending (while rightly maintaining cuts to current spending - not every pound cut and spent delivers the same economic cost/benefit). I'm not sure the Libs really had the power to force a pure spending approach on Osbourne and i imagine the coalition was contingent on Osbourne being Chancellor. Alexander did a brilliant job though, an unsung hero.
    Economically what do you see as the difference between Clegg/ Alexander and Cameron/Osborne?

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    So ****ing glad I don't go to uni in America these days - but I'm seriously worried this country is headed the same way. "Dicks out for Harambe" is apparently a direct attack on African Americans, and is also literally sexual assault. Beyond. ****ing. Parody.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    So ****ing glad I don't go to uni in America these days - but I'm seriously worried this country is headed the same way. "Dicks out for Harambe" is apparently a direct attack on African Americans, and is also literally sexual assault. Beyond. ****ing. Parody.
    Did you hear about Hugh mungus in Seattle?

    How is dicks out for harambe an attack on blacks? Are they saying blacks can't keep it in their pants or that they are gorillas?

    Micro-aggressions is a rediculous term for someone taking offence at something that doesn't exist.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Did you hear about Hugh mungus in Seattle?

    How is dicks out for harambe an attack on blacks? Are they saying blacks can't keep it in their pants or that they are gorillas?
    I honestly thought that was gonna be some terrible joke till I looked it up. Really?!

    And the logic seems to be:

    1) The term 'harambe' is a positive word in Swahili.
    2) Obviously two distinct things can't possibly have the same name, therefore Harambe the Gorilla = the Swahili term harambe.
    3) The University also have accommodation set aside for black people only (not at all problematic!), which they've called the Harambe Floor after the Swahili term.
    4) Therefore "dicks out for Harambe" is a racist attack against the black residents of the Harambe Floor.
    5) It's also encouraging people to get their dicks out, which is sexual assault. (Okay, I'm lost too now)
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I honestly thought that was gonna be some terrible joke till I looked it up. Really?!

    And the logic seems to be:

    1) The term 'harambe' is a positive word in Swahili.
    2) Obviously two distinct things can't possibly have the same name, therefore Harambe the Gorilla = the Swahili term harambe.
    3) The University also have accommodation set aside for black people only (not at all problematic!), which they've called the Harambe Floor after the Swahili term.
    4) Therefore "dicks out for Harambe" is a racist attack against the black residents of the Harambe Floor.
    5) It's also encouraging people to get their dicks out, which is sexual assault. (Okay, I'm lost too now)
    The mental gymnastics these people must do to take offence is actually impressive.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Economically what do you see as the difference between Clegg/ Alexander and Cameron/Osborne?

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    Cameron served with Lawson when he was Chancellor so one can believe reasonably that Cameron is a mild Thatcherite.

    Osbourne let loose would be very libertarian, much less tax, much less spend, privatise everything.

    Lib Dem economic policy before the coalition was set by Vince so it's harder to say however i'd say the key change is that both Clegg and Alexander are less keen ideological privatisation, probably about as radical on tax but probably more open to higher spending. Both i think are mildly classically liberal.
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    Morning- a cup of coffee please. Germans on the train discussing Brexit.
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    Lol, my university has requested a trigger warning on the Twitter posts.

    For which posts? "anything which may cause offence, such as a stat about domestic violence, which may trigger PTSD"

    :facepalm:

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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Morning- a cup of coffee please. Germans on the train discussing Brexit.
    Nothing better than a good cup of coffee in the morning!
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    Lol, my university has requested a trigger warning on the Twitter posts.

    For which posts? "anything which may cause offence, such as a stat about domestic violence, which may trigger PTSD"

    :facepalm:

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    Triggered triggered triggered! STOP STOP STOP!!!
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    Thought Chucka was great on the Daily Politics on Monday, very combative.

    Although i'm normally wary of front bench minorities just being there to be the token x i do think that he's actually quite good even if i do disagree with him.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Lol, my university has requested a trigger warning on the Twitter posts.

    For which posts? "anything which may cause offence, such as a stat about domestic violence, which may trigger PTSD"

    :facepalm:
    We had a social media policy imposed on us at university recently due to two people having an argument over facebook and one reporting the other to the HoD, while the other person reported the first individual to HR.
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    Is it me or does Tom Watson look embarrassed to be sat next to Corbyn?!
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Is it me or does Tom Watson looked embarrassed to be sat next to Corbyn?!
    Wouldn't you be
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    I have to say I think it is disgraceful for May to say she won't tell us what she wants from the brexit negotiations and that she won't keep us informed of what is going on in negotiations.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    I have to say I think it is disgraceful for May to say she won't tell us what she wants from the brexit negotiations and that she won't keep us informed of what is going on in negotiations.
    It's not a bad thing to do that considering there are special snowflakes protesting so that we remain in the eu because they believe they deserve their own way and they want to keep the NHS and nandos 2 huge benefits of the EU, these protests weaken our negotiation power.
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    Fixed-term Parliaments (Repeal) Bill submitted to Lords.

    http://www.publications.parliament.u..._en_2.htm#l1g1
 
 
 
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