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    I have to say that the answers to my question are pretty alarming in the short run. Your essentially saying that you'd rather spend the next decade under Tory rule than accomplish half the policies you desire simply so that when a recession or shock event eventually comes, you'll finally get a pure government.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I have to say that the answers to my question are pretty alarming in the short run. Your essentially saying that you'd rather spend the next decade under Tory rule than accomplish half the policies you desire simply so that when a recession or shock event eventually comes, you'll finally get a pure government.
    I would personally expect little else from them and I would find it difficult to believe you expected anything other than that.

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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I have to say that the answers to my question are pretty alarming in the short run. Your essentially saying that you'd rather spend the next decade under Tory rule than accomplish half the policies you desire simply so that when a recession or shock event eventually comes, you'll finally get a pure government.
    Labour always has been different to the torys when it comes to their leaders. Wilson stayed on after the 1970 GE defeat, Callaghan stayed on, if only for a while, after the 1979 GE defeat, Kinnock was defeated by Maggie twice and then Major before stepping down. Heath somehow survived the 66 election, unsure why, but you lot seem to remove a leader if they lose, Benn always use to recall the Tory MPs he talked to after the 79 GE who frankly admitted they'd have gotten rid of Thatcher if she had lost her first election
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Labour always has been different to the torys when it comes to their leaders. Wilson stayed on after the 1970 GE defeat, Callaghan stayed on, if only for a while, after the 1979 GE defeat, Kinnock was defeated by Maggie twice and then Major before stepping down. Heath somehow survived the 66 election, unsure why, but you lot seem to remove a leader if they lose, Benn always use to recall the Tory MPs he talked to after the 79 GE who frankly admitted they'd have gotten rid of Thatcher if she had lost her first election
    And yet the 20th century was Tory dominated and it looks like the 21st will be much the same.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And yet the 20th century was Tory dominated and it looks like the 21st will be much the same.

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    I'm sure at the start of the 20th Century no one would have foreseen the Liberals demise so I wouldn't be so hasty with you predictions about the next 84 years
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I'm sure at the start of the 20th Century no one would have foreseen the Liberals demise so I wouldn't be so hasty with you predictions about the next 84 years
    I think it's also worth pointing out that as soon as brown lost he resigned, as soon as Ed lost he resigned, and when Corbyn losses he will likely resign, whether through choice or force.

    We also don't yet have any parties that are particular threats to the longevity of either the Conservatives or Labour.

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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I have to say that the answers to my question are pretty alarming in the short run. Your essentially saying that you'd rather spend the next decade under Tory rule than accomplish half the policies you desire simply so that when a recession or shock event eventually comes, you'll finally get a pure government.
    Recessions and shock events are generally how changes in control come about - if over a period of two or more terms comes about when a govenment has been lucky enough not to have a significant economic downturn (far from the Tory narrative of 'economic responsibility'), then eventually the electorate will just get sick of their bull****.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    What would be the point in wanting a Labour government if that Labour government wouldn't actually make things any better?
    Because it would make things better while a tory one makes things worse.

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    It still seems entirely sensible, an actual opposition makes more impact than a faux-tory government.
    It makes no impact if they win every election tbh and it's not faux-tory, it's labour.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I have to say that the answers to my question are pretty alarming in the short run. Your essentially saying that you'd rather spend the next decade under Tory rule than accomplish half the policies you desire simply so that when a recession or shock event eventually comes, you'll finally get a pure government.
    Not all of us.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    It makes no impact if they win every election tbh and it's not faux-tory, it's labour.
    It makes an impact provided they can't be confident of being guaranteed every election. The nature of our democracy means that the opposition can effectively hold the government to account, and Corbyn as an opposition leader has a greater impact than Kendall as a Labour Prime Minister would have (we can already see this through the tax credits delay, which I strongly doubt would have happened under Kendall).

    It is essentially faux-Tory. The tories are no longer this radically right-wing party that you portray them as. They are effectively a centre-right party. Liz Kendall is a centre-right politician who follows the cuckoo economics of austerity.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    Because it would make things better while a tory one makes things worse.


    It makes no impact if they win every election tbh and it's not faux-tory, it's labour.
    But a Blairite Labour government such as the one Liz Kendall would lead wouldn't necessarily make things better. Blairites don't even support rail renationalisation fgs. It just wouldn't make things worse. That's not good enough.
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    Id prefer to be an opposition to a Tory in a red badge.

    I find it unlikely that Corbyn will actually win, but we needed either him or Kendall in to change the layout. This way when he eventually does leave the "moderates" and the socialists will unite behind a candidate somewhere in between.

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    I agree wholeheartedly with Bevan

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    lol at thinking anyone remotely left wing would support a Kendall led Labour. We've put up with right-wing governments for going on 40 years in this country, nothing is ever going to change if we just keep going down the same path of "well they are ****ing awful but they aren't quite as bad the other lot".
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    (Original post by cBay)
    lol at thinking anyone remotely left wing would support a Kendall led Labour. We've put up with right-wing governments for going on 40 years in this country, nothing is ever going to change if we just keep going down the same path of "well they are ****ing awful but they aren't quite as bad the other lot".
    I remember this man called Blair, he managed to lead Labour for a decade and it certainly wasn't without lefties.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I remember this man called Blair, he managed to lead Labour for a decade and it certainly wasn't without lefties.
    Lefties have the power of hindsight now to not to repeat that mistake.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Id prefer to be an opposition to a Tory in a red badge.

    I find it unlikely that Corbyn will actually win, but we needed either him or Kendall in to change the layout. This way when he eventually does leave the "moderates" and the socialists will unite behind a candidate somewhere in between.

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    I always thought Burnham would have been the best chance of uniting the lefties and the moderates. I think he'd be too weak though.


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    (Original post by cBay)
    Lefties have the power of hindsight now to not to repeat that mistake.
    If they had the power of hindsight there would be no lefties.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If they had the power of hindsight there would be no lefties.
    It is amusing that you try to pass off your rampant self interest as superior insight.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    It is amusing that you try to pass off your rampant self interest as superior insight.
 
 
 
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