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    I'm Jewish but I'm not Zionist. I do not support a large majority of the actions that are taken by the State of Israel. There is a clear difference, whether you would like to believe it or not and I think people just use anti-Zionism as a poor excuse for covering up their antisemitism. I feel bullied by citizens of my own country and I'd like to know why this is the case when I have never done anything wrong, I did not choose to be born in to the Jewish religion
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    I personally don't like Hamas because of their long term objectives. However, I agree with the armed resistance. Why should people who are oppressed take it lying down? Remember that the IRA and ANC were/are also labelled terrorists. They were fundamentally fighting for their cause. Being resentful to an Apartheid State who illegally colonise your land, provide a blockade on goods and build a 10 metre high segregation wall as in the West Bank should not really be questioned.
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    It's Hamas that are the problem, and the ones Palestine need "freeing" from.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    It's Hamas that are the problem, and the ones Palestine need "freeing" from.
    Hamas aren't in the West Bank and it's hardly sunshine and rainbows for the Palestinians there who find themselves victim to Israeli land grabs and segregation.
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    Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    Couple of other things that I'd note, but generally an excellent article.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    Couple of other things that I'd note, but generally an excellent article.
    I've noticed your posts on here a lot

    Would you mind if I asked your your ethnic background, because I always had you down as White?
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    I've noticed your posts on here a lot

    Would you mind if I asked your your ethnic background, because I always had you down as White?
    You'd be correct. I post on here often just because I find it a particularly interesting historical debate.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    You'd be correct. I post on here often just because I find it a particularly interesting historical debate.
    But specifically, English, French, Irish etc?
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    But specifically, English, French, Irish etc?
    Irish/Scottish mix, but to the extent I identify as either, I'd say slightly more Irish.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Irish/Scottish mix, but to the extent I identify as either, I'd say slightly more Irish.
    It's funny, that is precisely what I expected (Scottish or Irish, erring towards Irish)


    I have noticed that a great many Irish people who are interested in politics and global affairs, have a strong support for Palestinian Nationalism. It's as if they feel there are parallels between the Celtic struggle and the Arab struggle, as well as this preference for the underdog which they feel in this case, is the Palestinian side.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    It's funny, that is precisely what I expected (Scottish or Irish, erring towards Irish)


    I have noticed that a great many Irish people who are interested in politics and global affairs, have a strong support for Palestinian Nationalism. It's as if they feel there are parallels between the Celtic struggle and the Arab struggle, as well as this preference for the underdog which they feel in this case, is the Palestinian side.
    Indeed, there are quite a number of similarities between the Northern Ireland dispute and Israel-Palestine.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Indeed, there are quite a number of similarities between the Northern Ireland dispute and Israel-Palestine.
    There are indeed.


    The Irish plan was originally to create a socialist state where Gaelic was spoken, sounds if anything like the Kibbutznim in Israel and then we have the idea of land ownership rights. Israel was taken from the Jews as Ireland was from the Irish, then the land was held and colonised by the regional power; in Northern Ireland it was Scottish Protestants, in Israel is was Muslim Arabs, I am not saying either groups should be forcibly removed but I can't help but think you have it the wrong way around.
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    I personally feel like Israel are in the wrong and I think it is wrong that Israel break Geneva laws but there is no consequence for them.

    Yeah so, whats your opinion on this looking at the situation from a humanitarian point of view? :confused:
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    (Original post by shawashawa)
    I personally feel like Israel are in the wrong and I think it is wrong that Israel break Geneva laws but there is no consequence for them.

    Yeah so, whats your opinion on this looking at the situation from a humanitarian point of view? :confused:
    Well it's important to split Palestine between Gaza and the West Bank.

    In Gaza we have Hamas who are nothing short of a terrorist group and continue to attack Israel every few years. I think Hamas are somewhat lucky that Israel don't occupy Gaza again.

    In Palestine i think their as bad as each other. Fatah reject somewhat reasonable peace deals but Israel does a land grab every now and then.
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    I do feel that Israel are unfair as well and no one does much to stop it. However, I'm for peace between two states. I don't believe either of them should be completely shut out of planet earth rather they should have their individual land or share in peace. Often people assume that pro-palestine individuals want Israel gone but that's not the case. The earth is wide enough for everyone to live in.
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    (Original post by shawashawa)
    I personally feel like Israel are in the wrong and I think it is wrong that Israel break Geneva laws but there is no consequence for them.

    Yeah so, whats your opinion on this looking at the situation from a humanitarian point of view? :confused:
    Instances of Israel breaking the Geneva convention are exaggerated due to Hamas-sponsored Pallywood propoganda. Real instances are isolated, and those responsible are punished by the IDF internally. Constrast that with Hamas who will give a hero's welcome to any of their fighters that indiscrimately kills any Jew or Israeli. British Army Officer Colonel Richard Kemp testified to the UN that in the previous Gazan conflict in 2009, Israel took greater precautions to prevent civilian deaths than any nation ever recorded in history, including British forces in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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    Thanks for the opinion,
    Why would you think it is important for Gaza to split ? :/ I think your argument is rather bias, you focus more on what Palestine have done wrong. The question that begs is " Are Hamas attacks justified?" You talk about how Hamas is always attacking but if you look at statistics it shows 73% of Palestine have been killed whilst 8% of Israels have been killed. You said "Hamas are somewhat lucky that Israel don't occupy Gaza again".
    This implies two things to me from what you said:
    1) Israel has more power to take over the Palestinians and therefore is more powerful enough to murder the Palestinians.
    2) Palestine have no power and could easily be defeated even though there land has been taken.

    Israel is still occupying illegal land every single day, you say a "land grab every now and then" you suggest they do this without any harm. Israels literally have the power to drag Palestinians out of their own homes.

    I have not read through this so sorry for the spelling mistakes !!!

    Hope to hear your replies :bebored:
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    But if you look at media it looks like Israel is promoted. The fact that Palestine is not even on the map says a lot. I know you're for peace but dont you feel that the Palestinians are treated even worse, i mean if you look at the maps they are literally left with nothing of what was their land to begin with !!! Do you think it is unfair that; Israel dictates what the Palestinians eat and when they are allowed to have water. On some days they might not get water and strawberries and many other fruits are banned.
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    (Original post by beautifulxxx)
    I do feel that Israel are unfair as well and no one does much to stop it. However, I'm for peace between two states. I don't believe either of them should be completely shut out of planet earth rather they should have their individual land or share in peace. Often people assume that pro-palestine individuals want Israel gone but that's not the case. The earth is wide enough for everyone to live in.
    If Israel could be certain that any new Arab state established west of the Jordan would be a peaceful, tolerant, enlightened partner in sharing the land, in perpetuity, with never any risk of this changing, a huge amount of problems would be solved. Not all of them, by a long shot, but many. Israel could afford to give up control of the hills of Samaria knowing that they would never be used to launch rockets on Israeli population centres. Israel could afford to give up control of Hevron knowing that the Jews living there would be safe and that Jews could always come to visit the holy site. Israel could give up control of the historic cemetery on the Mount of Olives, knowing that this time, it would never be smashed up to provide building materials for latrines and roads. Israel could make huge concessions, knowing that that would be it, that they would never be taken as merely a starting point from which the Arabs would continue to work for the total destruction of Israel.

    Unfortunately, this is nothing but the most unrealistic of fantasies. Israel must act according to the overwhelming evidence: assuming that any Arab state of Palestine would be a hostile, intolerant, aggressive entity serving only as a base for increased attacks on Israel and her citizens and further attempts to drive the Jews from the land once and for all. If people didn't believe this before Gaza became a de facto independent Arab state in 2005, or before Islamist militias exploded across the Arab world, they certainly believe this now.
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    (Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
    If Israel could be certain that any new Arab state established west of the Jordan would be a peaceful, tolerant, enlightened partner in sharing the land, in perpetuity, with never any risk of this changing, a huge amount of problems would be solved. Not all of them, by a long shot, but many. Israel could afford to give up control of the hills of Samaria knowing that they would never be used to launch rockets on Israeli population centres. Israel could afford to give up control of Hevron knowing that the Jews living there would be safe and that Jews could always come to visit the holy site. Israel could give up control of the historic cemetery on the Mount of Olives, knowing that this time, it would never be smashed up to provide building materials for latrines and roads. Israel could make huge concessions, knowing that that would be it, that they would never be taken as merely a starting point from which the Arabs would continue to work for the total destruction of Israel.

    Unfortunately, this is nothing but the most unrealistic of fantasies. Israel must act according to the overwhelming evidence: assuming that any Arab state of Palestine would be a hostile, intolerant, aggressive entity serving only as a base for increased attacks on Israel and her citizens and further attempts to drive the Jews from the land once and for all. If people didn't believe this before Gaza became a de facto independent Arab state in 2005, or before Islamist militias exploded across the Arab world, they certainly believe this now.
    Yeah well welcome to the perfect planet earth, where life works that way. How can you determine what you've stated in your first paragraph? Are you saying that because it's obvious or do you have some substance to your argument?
 
 
 
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