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    The government should consider itself lucky...... You could of been out by few votes ....... Hopefully it will be the kick they need to start actually doing stuff....... May it be a warning to you
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    Apparently fake and pie in the sky 'optimism' is more important than realism.
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    So the leave camp again claiming any expert is an establishment project fear elitist conspiring against Britain but any expert that supports them is apparnelty a beacon of truth.
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    Khan's positive message promised in the opening statement lasted about as long as his promise to have no fare increases in London

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    Lucas thinks the eu brought democracy to eastern Europe. I thought it was the demos and collapse of the USSR that did that...

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    "Brought" is the incorrect term, but it certainly secured it by making democracy the pragmatic choice. Spain and Greece had a similar logic for joining.

    Though why Lucas is making those kinds of arguments is beyond me. Practically no-one in Britain has any time for the idealistic claptrap associated with the EU. The only consideration is whether Britain and the British people will be better off in or out The idea that we should stay in through some humanitarian notion of spreading democracy, peace and freedom is not going to appeal to anyone save the kinds of hippies who vote for Lucas.
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    It was a big mistake to not have Gove on the panel, Johnson should not have been there.

    I must say Ruth Davidson made quite an impression. I may disagree with what she was saying, but she certainly was passionate, confident and articulate.
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    It was a big mistake to not have Gove on the panel, Johnson should not have been there.

    I must say Ruth Davidson made quite an impression. I may disagree with what she was saying, but she certainly was passionate, confident and articulate.
    After Cameron she's your biggest asset.
    I hate Tories but she'd make me think twice, especially against Corbyn.
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    After Cameron she's your biggest asset.

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    Shame she wants to remain north of the border.
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    It was a big mistake to not have Gove on the panel, Johnson should not have been there.

    I must say Ruth Davidson made quite an impression. I may disagree with what she was saying, but she certainly was passionate, confident and articulate.
    Johnson may well have been there to bait remain into personal attacks based on "him only doing it to become PM"

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    http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/re...ela-gschaider/

    Image if it were a brexiteer making a similar comment about s remainer?

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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So the leave camp again claiming any expert is an establishment project fear elitist conspiring against Britain but any expert that supports them is apparnelty a beacon of truth.
    To be fair, many are the same experts who said that Britain should join the euro - they were wrong then, what makes them right now? In addition, taking the IMF, for example, they have previously criticised Osborne's austerity budgets, only to be proved wrong by growth and record employment rates. The problem with so-called 'experts' is that they have so often turned out to be wrong.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/re...ela-gschaider/

    Image if it were a brexiteer making a similar comment about s remainer?

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    I saw that - perhaps it'll be reported on the BBC like the trouble in Calais...oh wait.
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    The government should consider itself lucky...... You could of been out by few votes ....... Hopefully it will be the kick they need to start actually doing stuff....... May it be a warning to you
    Can we say we're under the strict rules of purdah for the EU referendum?
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    To be fair, many are the same experts who said that Britain should join the euro - they were wrong then, what makes them right now? In addition, taking the IMF, for example, they have previously criticised Osborne's austerity budgets, only to be proved wrong by growth and record employment rates. The problem with so-called 'experts' is that they have so often turned out to be wrong.
    That's a myth, most experts did not support the Euro.

    IMF were right and Osborne actually scaled back austerity to get improvements after too much austerity was failing. Also we may well have grown quicker had we had less austerity and inveted more.

    But you want to trust a man down the pub more than heavily qualified experts?
    Doctors sometimes get things wrong , does that mean you should never trust them and instead trust a man in the pub?

    Mechanics sometimes get things wrong, does that mean we should never trust them and listen to non mechanics instead?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I thought remain loved net figures?

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    So that funding will be matched from the Treasury then?

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    So that funding will be matched from the Treasury then?

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    That is up to the treasury and how much they want to win the next election

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Change in eligible no. of voters for the EU referendum for...
    ENG: +220,678
    SCO: -111,040
    WAL: -11,011
    NI: +24,190
    GIB: +24,117


    Good figures for leave

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    Is that in comparison to the general election?

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    Remain were always going to win, the question was by how much.

    Many of the people who want to vote leave are questioning themselves on the economic implications, especially after the FTSE 100 lost £100bn in 4 days.

    I am passionately for Brexit, however if I were able to vote I'd question myself in the polling booth on whether the economic shock would be worth it.
    I'd certainly avoid basing my vote from movements in the stock markets (i'd not be shocked if trading is suspended before lunch) simply because of the panic but your right that for those of us who are not obsessed with immigration it comes down to whether you think the potential for higher long run growth and employment is worth a few bad years.

    What's your motivation for leave?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Is that in comparison to the general election?



    I'd certainly avoid basing my vote from movements in the stock markets (i'd not be shocked if trading is suspended before lunch) simply because of the panic but your right that for those of us who are not obsessed with immigration it comes down to whether you think the potential for higher long run growth and employment is worth a few bad years.

    What's your motivation for leave?
    I believe it's compared to the general

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That is up to the treasury and how much they want to win the next election

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    Indeed, a no then.

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