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    (Original post by MacDaddi)
    I didn't
    :holmes: I'll resend it.
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    (Original post by Faland)
    :holmes: I'll resend it.
    Thanks
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    (Original post by Blue Meltwater)
    The Greens in RL are very pro-EU as well, not entirely sure how the party on here stands but it's probably similar. I think there's a few eurosceptics among the Socialists, possibly?
    This is quite an interesting article on the Green Party's EU stance, it changed my understanding of the Greens a bit when I came across it.
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    were pro-EU but we want a lot of reform to it, it's not as simple as saying we are pro-EU like Lib Dems or Labour though
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    (Original post by Faland)
    This is quite an interesting article on the Green Party's EU stance, it changed my understanding of the Greens a bit when I came across it.
    From my experience I've always thought the Greens are more pro-EU than the article suggests, though definitely keen to see major reform. Their manifesto for the European elections this year stated:

    "The European Union is vital because some issues are best resolved at a continental level. Solidarity between neighbours is key to our common future and sometimes, decisions are best made together because they affect us all or because it is important to work together rather than compete in a race to the bottom. For these reasons, though Greens support a referendum on membership, we will campaign to keep the UK in the European Union." Page 31

    I suppose the main difference in EU policy between UKIP and the Greens is that the Greens want to see major reform of the EU, whereas UKIP seem to view reform as impossible and see exiting as the only viable option. Though I hadn't realised the Greens were so against the euro, actually! I'll need to read through the whole manifesto.
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    So once the republic bill is passed again, when will I be sworn in?
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    (Original post by St. Brynjar)
    Hi all,

    I think it's probably best I clarify my position with absolute transparency. Originally I abstained on the Monarchy vote - I erred on the side of monarchism, with a slight curiosity of what a British Republic would look like. I didn't want to vote against my government and more importantly, I had views on both sides so felt it apt to abstain.

    Today however, in light of canvassing from Ray and others, I decided to switch my vote to an Aye in the early afternoon, should I be able to influence the outcome at 5pm. This proved to be the case and the bill was passed. As an independent MP who was elected due to the backing of the three government parties, it didn't seem right to be the one to cause the bill to fail. If we had a majority at 5pm, I would not have switched my vote. I'm sure some will find this unsatisfactory but I thought it proper to explain everything in light of the controversy around the result. I'll treat any legislation relating to the new republic as it comes.
    First of all thanks for the explanation, but I feel compelled to say shame on you.

    I find it very poor form to vote against what you believe in just because of the outcome of a result. Particularly when you knew who significant your vote was. Without it, the bill in question would not have passed. I can understand abstaining on bills that you disagree with if you don't want to annoy your coalition colleagues (as it would seem they are now) but to vote through something you don't really support is very poor, considering you as well made no reference to this in your manifesto) People elected you, not the Government for your seat.

    The fact you have admitted to essentially changing your vote because you knew it'd be decisive gives weight to suggestions that really all bills and votes should be kept anonymous until the final reveal.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    The fact you have admitted to essentially changing your vote because you knew it'd be decisive gives weight to suggestions that really all bills and votes should be kept anonymous until the final reveal.
    The first problem with that is that there's nothing to stop someone simply saying how they voted or PMing people/ posting in their subforums to let them know how they voted.

    The second is that it would create a nightmare with the review and actually knowing who voted because we'd then have to request that mods look into every single vote to tell us who voted and which way - that simply isn't feasible really.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    The first problem with that is that there's nothing to stop someone simply saying how they voted or PMing people/ posting in their subforums to let them know how they voted.

    The second is that it would create a nightmare with the review and actually knowing who voted because we'd then have to request that mods look into every single vote to tell us who voted and which way - that simply isn't feasible really.
    Regarding the first point, that's not an issue in my eyes. We hold a secret ballot, If I say well I voted Aye on this Bill or I voted Nay on this bill then that is my right to do so,

    The review only works if we say from now on, every vote gets the requisite time limit as laid down in the constitution. Everyone here supports the practice of a review but if you have one and then cut short voting periods then members aren't getting the time they are entitled to (and are potentially placing seats in jeopardy - again a move people support but in practice is only completely fair if every vote is given the time as set down in the regulations, no cutting at all, even if a bill is 45-2 with two whole days to go.

    If it isn't feasible then I personally think we need to look at what is. Whether that means that it's a simple, once you have cast a vote then that is it - so be it. We have got members here admitting essentially to changing their vote purely on the basis that theirs had become a a casting vote, and that is not really on.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    So once the republic bill is passed again, when will I be sworn in?
    My god that would make the election interesting! Promise to become corrupt and be saddled with scandals if I vote for your sleazy ways?
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    Is there anyone in the government who actually does know how the presidency will run within the game as it stands?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Is there anyone in the government who actually does know how the presidency will run within the game as it stands?
    I can't imagine there being huge powers (so no veto etc.) but I would personally like them to have the power to propose presidential motions (and maybe bills).

    The President cannot however run within the game until the requisite amendment is passed.
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    Sailing past the house of commons, gin and tonic in hand. This is pretty good.

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    Oh dear, look at the Daily Mail front page for tomorrow.
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    (Original post by Cryptographic)
    Oh dear, look at the Daily Mail front page for tomorrow.
    How can they do an accurate poll before we even know who the Tory candidate is? Not reading too much into this somehow.
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    (Original post by Cryptographic)
    Oh dear, look at the Daily Mail front page for tomorrow.
    Where can I see it?
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    How can they do an accurate poll before we even know who the Tory candidate is? Not reading too much into this somehow.
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    Where can I see it?
    http://politicalbetting.com

    As to accuracy, it is probably overstating him, but not by much, he has a lot going in his favour, however in the euros in his constituency UKIP doubled the Tory vote, he also has a pretty major personal vote.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Where can I see it?

    The bottom right one is the most worrying for the Conservatives.
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    (Original post by O133)
    I can't imagine there being huge powers (so no veto etc.) but I would personally like them to have the power to propose presidential motions (and maybe bills).

    The President cannot however run within the game until the requisite amendment is passed.
    So nothing definite, why are we voting on a bill where even government members and its staunchest backers are just being completely vague about what's going to happen.

    Without wanting to get back into the ins and outs of the bill all I will say is that what you've said there is evidence that this is rushed through, an essence of "we've got enough at the moment, we may not have this in October so lets get it through while we can"

    And I'll not get started on the amendment
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    So nothing definite, why are we voting on a bill where even government members and its staunchest backers are just being completely vague about what's going to happen.

    Without wanting to get back into the ins and outs of the bill all I will say is that what you've said there is evidence that this is rushed through, an essence of "we've got enough at the moment, we may not have this in October so lets get it through while we can"

    And I'll not get started on the amendment
    Nothing definite because the amendment will decide how it works as part of the game, the bill decides how it works for the people of TSRland.

    The bill has been a project for most of the term.
 
 
 
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