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    (Original post by difeo)
    If Alex Ferguson was English we'd have won every competition from 2002 to 2008

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    I've always thought England have only ever been missing a manager.

    It probably isn't as simple as that, but I suppose we'll never know.
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    disclaimer: I have a loathing for wing backs that are caught out of position and overlap needlessly but imo...

    Carl Jenkinson is a much better RB than Bellerin, it's really not even close tbh.

    Debuchy was a poor transfer for what we parted with, even though he's up to standard for now, but given his contrasting style with Jenkinson(whereas Bellerin is just a **** version of Debuchy) I think we'd be mad not to take Carl back as 2nd choice next season and send Bellerin on loan somewhere.

    I promise you will get big match performances and intensity out of a lad like Jenko that will be worth perhaps an occasional clumsiness on the ball and every challenging team needs English defenders imo. Alternatively given his age and Englishness we should be taking £12m at least from WHU when you think about what we paid for Chambers or what Shaw, Bertrand etc have gone for.
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    agree with above - want jenk back for next season.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    Diamond midfield with Lampard at the tip, Gerrard and Scholes in the middle and Hargreaves at the base. Shift Beckham into right back.

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    No bench Beckham or play 3-6-1.

    Semen
    Ferdinand, Terry, Campbell
    Hargreaves
    Beckham(RM), Scholes, Lampard, Cole(LM/LWB)
    Gerrard
    Owen

    If that was played at the world cup woulda beasted it. Hargreaves woulda protected Terry, Ferdinand had pace so he wouldn't get caught out by any potential lack of covering from Beckham, while Cole had the pace to make up for any time Campbell is struggling for pace.

    Owen woulda been sufficient pace for the top.

    It allows all the players to play and it's absolutely farcical that no England manager tried this not even in a ****ing friendly.
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    England in 2006 probably had the best group of CBs Ive ever seen from any side, club or country tbh.

    How'd we end up with Jags and Cahill then?
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    No idea bro.

    **** England's whole team other than at Striker and GK is incredibly average. Midfield you have a bit of hope since the players are young but the defence is just terrible. Ryan Bertrand and Clyne as England's best fullbacks, then using Jones, Cahill, Jags and Smalling as our defence. This is a joke.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    England in 2006 probably had the best group of CBs Ive ever seen from any side, club or country tbh.

    How'd we end up with Jags and Cahill then?
    From Carragher, King, Terry, Ferdinand, Woodgate and an ageing Campbell to this shower of ****. Great times.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    From Carragher, King, Terry, Ferdinand, Woodgate and an ageing Campbell to this shower of ****. Great times.
    Sol was still a beast in 2006 tbh, was leader of that AFC defence that went about 1000000 minutes of k/o CL football without conceding, including long spells with Flamini, Clichy, Almunia, Eboue and Senderos as his 'partners'

    Dont think AFC should have let Sol, or indeed Pires, Bergkamp, Ljungberg, Cole, Henry all leave at the same time. Suspect Arsenal still feel the ripple effects of that clear out of leaders to this day really. Arsene had to try and get some youth project going with the new stadium but he should have integrated the old with the new. Sol would have been handy until 2009ish, better than Gallas as a personality anyway FFS
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    I agree with this article Danny Welbeck has NOT been a great signing for Arsenal

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/30/why-ma...senal-5126256/
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    disclaimer: I have a loathing for wing backs that are caught out of position and overlap needlessly but imo...

    Carl Jenkinson is a much better RB than Bellerin, it's really not even close tbh.

    Debuchy was a poor transfer for what we parted with, even though he's up to standard for now, but given his contrasting style with Jenkinson(whereas Bellerin is just a **** version of Debuchy) I think we'd be mad not to take Carl back as 2nd choice next season and send Bellerin on loan somewhere.

    I promise you will get big match performances and intensity out of a lad like Jenko that will be worth perhaps an occasional clumsiness on the ball and every challenging team needs English defenders imo. Alternatively given his age and Englishness we should be taking £12m at least from WHU when you think about what we paid for Chambers or what Shaw, Bertrand etc have gone for.
    Completely agree, but I'd go as far as saying if Debuchy doesn't get back to strength before the end of the season and Jenk plays well in U'21's Euro's in the summer, that we should have the same situation at RB as we do with Gibbs and Monreal at LB where is isn't a specific no. 1 and no. 2 over the season. Jenk may well be better than Debuchy in the near future.

    Bellerin should go out on loan, he can't be used at CB like Chambers can and isn't quite ready yet. Tbh the way Jenk has performed this year shows why Vengs is so good at creating top young players; hw knew Jenk was unlikely to get into the starting line up this season, and let the guy go and show what he's made of.

    Even if WH offered £12mil I wouldn't take it, there aren't that many top RB's around, and having another home grown player wouldn't in a non-vital position wouldn't go a miss
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    Welbeck has a conversion rate of 9%, compared to Giroud who has over 30%, I hate to so it, but based on this season Welbeck has been a piss poor signing who's only job is stopping better players like Walcott from getting in the squad. Would actually take £8mil from some **** team like Sunderland for him right now and just call it a write off
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Completely agree, but I'd go as far as saying if Debuchy doesn't get back to strength before the end of the season and Jenk plays well in U'21's Euro's in the summer, that we should have the same situation at RB as we do with Gibbs and Monreal at LB where is isn't a specific no. 1 and no. 2 over the season. Jenk may well be better than Debuchy in the near future.

    Bellerin should go out on loan, he can't be used at CB like Chambers can and isn't quite ready yet. Tbh the way Jenk has performed this year shows why Vengs is so good at creating top young players; hw knew Jenk was unlikely to get into the starting line up this season, and let the guy go and show what he's made of.

    Even if WH offered £12mil I wouldn't take it, there aren't that many top RB's around, and having another home grown player wouldn't in a non-vital position wouldn't go a miss
    Regarding Monreal and Gibbs, who would you consider, overall is our current best LB?
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    dont mind welbeck at all..

    11 scored or created, in 30 apps for arsenal. (goals + assists)

    For our 2nd choice striker.. 1 in 3, is not an awful goals scored+created ratio.

    (As long as he is always 2nd choice... and as long as we get a proper winger so he is not put out wide very much.. except for certain circumstances)
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    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    dont mind welbeck at all..

    11 scored or created, in 30 apps for arsenal. (goals + assists)

    For our 2nd choice striker.. 1 in 3, is not an awful goals scored+created ratio.

    (As long as he is always 2nd choice... and as long as we get a proper winger so he is not put out wide very much.. except for certain circumstances)
    He's scored fewer Premier League goals than Fellaini.

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    Anyone judging Welbeck purely by goals scored is missing the point with him (even though he still has a decent amount). He provides directness and pace in games where we would otherwise be stuck passing around in midfield, and he is a real presence on the pitch - more so than the Walnut, who puts them away more, but just sits on the corner of the penalty box for the rest of the time. People like to write off Welbeck because he has been around for such a long time, but he is still only 24 as well, so he has time to add finishing to his game, and then he will be incredible, because he has pretty much everything else.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Anyone judging Welbeck purely by goals scored is missing the point with him (even though he still has a decent amount). He provides directness and pace in games where we would otherwise be stuck passing around in midfield, and he is a real presence on the pitch - more so than the Walnut, who puts them away more, but just sits on the corner of the penalty box for the rest of the time. People like to write off Welbeck because he has been around for such a long time, but he is still only 24 as well, so he has time to add finishing to his game, and then he will be incredible, because he has pretty much everything else.
    Not really because that's why we sold him and you paid £16m for him, not to mention all the hype at the start when he scored a hat-trick vs Gala. Guys a striker pure and simple, why not buy a winger with good work rate and link up if that's what you wanted.
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    Not really because that's why we sold him and you paid £16m for him, not to mention all the hype at the start when he scored a hat-trick vs Gala. Guys a striker pure and simple, why not buy a winger with good work rate and link up if that's what you wanted.
    The hype was because he showed what he can do, he's hardly going to bang in hat-tricks every game. He isn't being played as a striker currently because Giroud's in one of the best forms of the league. For 16m I still think he was well worth it, and given his age, think he will be seen as a bargain in years to come. Danny will come good.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Anyone judging Welbeck purely by goals scored is missing the point with him (even though he still has a decent amount). He provides directness and pace in games where we would otherwise be stuck passing around in midfield, and he is a real presence on the pitch - more so than the Walnut, who puts them away more, but just sits on the corner of the penalty box for the rest of the time. People like to write off Welbeck because he has been around for such a long time, but he is still only 24 as well, so he has time to add finishing to his game, and then he will be incredible, because he has pretty much everything else.
    Thats what our fans said for the past 6 years. I wouldn't hold your breath.



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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    The hype was because he showed what he can do, he's hardly going to bang in hat-tricks every game. He isn't being played as a striker currently because Giroud's in one of the best forms of the league. For 16m I still think he was well worth it, and given his age, think he will be seen as a bargain in years to come. Danny will come good.
    He won't come good, he's at his peak now and we've been saying that for years at OT. He's been operating at this level for the past 2-3 years, and it's not even a positional thing. Let's put it this way, guy got a whole season up for us in a team we either won the league in or came 2nd (can't remember which one, might've been Aguero year), and scored 2 goals in 24 games. He's lucky if he gets double figures in a season really. Good squad player though for the wing.
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    Welbeck was a desperate signing everyone knows that. If Giroud never got injured Wenger had no intention of buying a striker. He is a striker and he can't compete with Giroud even as a winger he's playing mainly because of injuries but realistically he's a bench player at best.
 
 
 
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