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(Original post by polaroid13)
Since this is a bit of an ignorant thread and a bit of a rant, I will also do the same:

I know nothing about politics, but I will say, after having read the manifesto of the current government (I think that's what it was - you know the one from The Guardian) I agree with all of their policies.
It's not easy to run a country and I wish people would give the coalition a chance before laying into it.
And no government will please everyone - and people are such haters any way - especially in this country.
It doesn't matter what the Tories do or don't like; it's more about what they end up doing and the effects of it.
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Glad to know when you were born you started working in the mines from day one - you really paved your way without your parents. Unfortunately I lost my pick axe after I left the hospital - careless.



The attack on private education is tireing - he didn't go to eton, he did go to Oxford and wasn't a memeber of the Bullingdon club. You have a huge chip on your shoulder that is annoying - you seem to think everyone from Oxford or Eton is a snob.

P.S. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make if you are able you shouldn't need hands out from daddy or mummy.
You are boring me.
Wow, nice straw man. I didn't imply that children or even teenage should make their own way, that would be stupid, hence the education bit. I mean, when the person is say like 25, they shouldn't be getting money from parents or say a house from them.

George Osborne was in the Bullingdon club, seriously http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4985718.ece
Actually, I don't think George Osborne is snobby, I just think he got where he is in life because he was rich and shouldn't be in charge of the economy as he doesn't seem that smart, hence poor grades in maths.

P.S. I'm pretty sure you are set to inherit some money from your parents, I guess thats why you want it cut. I guess thats democracy so you can't really argue against it, self interest and all that.
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Hello stranger! How you been?

So which side of the door am I? :p:
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Hello stranger! How you been?

So which side of the door am I? :p:
Alright-ish. Exam time: :indiff:

The one with flowers!
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Alright-ish. Exam time: :indiff:

The one with flowers!
Ah I know. Actually I don't know because I'm hardly revising and you are in your finals whilst I am a mere fresher. How are the exams going?

Oh great, so you'd just leave me feeling dejected at your door - whilst you are in fear on the other side. Way to make a girl feel great, Qwenty.
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(Original post by Don_Scott)
That isn't very libertarian at all.

For example, the coalition government supports raising the capital gains tax from 18% to over 40%, more than a 200% increase, which would be disastrous for the economy.

Just another example of the coalition's governments leftist policies.
Well clearly I'm not actually going to agree with a mainstream UK political manifesto, you made one of the best examples of a policy that I disagree with. But I prefer it to a lib dem or a tory manifesto on its own, the balance is generally quite good.

I'd definitely like to see deeper spending, and no capital gains tax increase.
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(Original post by polaroid13)
Since this is a bit of an ignorant thread and a bit of a rant, I will also do the same:

I know nothing about politics, but I will say, after having read the manifesto of the current government (I think that's what it was - you know the one from The Guardian) I agree with all of their policies.
It's not easy to run a country and I wish people would give the coalition a chance before laying into it.
And no government will please everyone - and people are such haters any way - especially in this country.
It doesn't matter what the Tories do or don't like; it's more about what they end up doing and the effects of it.
That much has been made evident.

People are laying into the coalition government, because a lot of people voted Lib Dem in order to keep the Conservatives out of government. So when a natural Labour supporter like myself makes the tough decision to vote for a party he feels no natural affiliation with, and they then decide to betray such voters, a coalition between a party who weren't popular enough to achieve a majority and a party who have had to betray their principles to enter government shouldn't be given a chance.
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(Original post by polaroid13)
Ah I know. Actually I don't know because I'm hardly revising and you are in your finals whilst I am a mere fresher. How are the exams going?

Oh great, so you'd just leave me feeling dejected at your door - whilst you are in fear on the other side. Way to make a girl feel great, Qwenty.
My one today was distinctly average! Got another on Thursday! And have done little revison for it!

No np, that's me on shock about you actually turning up at my door!
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That much has been made evident.

People are laying into the coalition government, because a lot of people voted Lib Dem in order to keep the Conservatives out of government. So when a natural Labour supporter like myself makes the tough decision to vote for a party he feels no natural affiliation with, and they then decide to betray such voters, a coalition between a party who weren't popular enough to achieve a majority and a party who have had to betray their principles to enter government shouldn't be given a chance.
I never denied it. Why do you feel the need to emphasise upon the point.
And to be honest, you don't sound much better. Way too much emotion involved in your post - feelings of bitterness more than anything else.
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(Original post by aaran-j)
The point of this thread is?
To make fun of Conservatives.

I thought that was obvious? :eyeball:

(cue reaction...'how DARE people make fun of Conservatism! We have pioneers like Nadine Dorries and Boris Johnson!!' :mob: :mob: :fuhrer:

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(Original post by metro2610)
Tradition,
Organic Society,
Religion,
Aristocratic rule,
Private Ownership

(Sorry, revising politics... )
Sounds more like 19th century history.
Really? Aristocratic rule?
And wtf is an organic society, exactly?
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That is the same thing to me. At the end of the day if you are taken money of your parents you are mooching of them, I guess if you are in education then its not that bad. But, getting a house from your parent and a ton of money is mooching. Make your own money, don't depend on your parents.
So I'm sorry, where should your money go when you die? Why should it go to the government exactly, when you have been paying 40% income tax, and VAT, and capital gains. Money doesn't belong to the government FFS! It belongs to individuals, and some if withdrawn to provide public and merit goods, and also for the redistribution of income.
Why should someone who has worked since they were 21 until 65, perhaps later, be forced to give up their money when they die to pay for people who couldn't be arsed to get off their arse and find a job, exactly?
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It can't also cut its way out of debt as there would be less money being taken into to reduce debt. Its just the worst thing would be to cut taxes for the rich, how under inheritance tax would be up a few millions. Anyway, this is pointless as we got someone with a B in GCSE maths in charge of our economy.
Ha, I got more than that, maybe I can have the job :woo:
I agree with that, well noticed, at best public spending needs to fall, and taxation be frozen. I think the Tories are hoping that with their lighter regulation the business sector will boom again and then they can take some of the profits. Taxing a little bit of something is better than all of nothing I suppose. As I say, the inheritance tax cut was useless though, I'm glad it's gone.
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I never denied it. Why do you feel the need to emphasise upon the point.
And to be honest, you don't sound much better. Way too much emotion involved in your post - feelings of bitterness more than anything else.
The point of my post was to emphasize the sense of betrayal both I, and a large number of other voters feel. So yes, there are feelings of bitterness towards a government that has, as far as I'm concerned, no mandate to govern.

Now **** off.
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Conservative = Hunting peasants on horses.
Lib Dems = Rent boys.

Happy to help. Any other questions, ask away.
Is that all you can say, rather stupid.
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That is the same thing to me. At the end of the day if you are taken money of your parents you are mooching of them, I guess if you are in education then its not that bad. But, getting a house from your parent and a ton of money is mooching. Make your own money, don't depend on your parents.
Receiving something is one thing - I suggest we'd all do it, take that which we have not earned. Why else would so many millions of people play the Lottery? Ultimately though, there is no right to receive that which is unearned.

However, are human relationships not - and I hope not to become too overly Randian here - always matters of consideration: you give to your friends, your family, your lover and they give in return, often in different ways.

Now to my main point. There is, however, a right to give. If you have earned something, it is entirely down to you what to do with it, who to give it to and in what form. Making your children's lives better and happier seems to me to be a fairly decent way of using wealth.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7129248.ece

I see Labour did an excellent job

Plus on the Conservative for Fox Hunting Issue .. It is a great English tradition, another one that has been put to rest unfortunately, I cannot wait for them to bring it back. The only reason Labour banned it was to please people who now have unsuprisingly changed their minds and have decided they no longer want a ban.

Also, most of you will go on to be uni students therefore work in large businesses or even go on to own your own I'm shocked that you wouldn't want Conservative in power.
Labour had been in power for 13 years and look what they managed to do? Absolutely obbliterate this country.
I don't, for the life of me, understand why anybody would vote for them again?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7129248.ece

I see Labour did an excellent job

Plus on the Conservative for Fox Hunting Issue .. It is a great English tradition, another one that has been put to rest unfortunately, I cannot wait for them to bring it back. The only reason Labour banned it was to please people who now have unsuprisingly changed their minds and have decided they no longer want a ban.

Also, most of you will go on to be uni students therefore work in large businesses or even go on to own your own I'm shocked that you wouldn't want Conservative in power.
Labour had been in power for 13 years and look what they managed to do? Absolutely obbliterate this country.
I don't, for the life of me, understand why anybody would vote for them again?
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1. You do realise you were 5 when labour came into power. Do you actually remember jack **** about how the country was back then?

2. Dose one of your parents own a 4x4?

3. higher education under conservatives is going to be made only available to the rich and already successful and they’re not going to waste a penny fixing the current education system because guess what? Kids don’t vote.

My area is quite a desirable one to live in. back when john major was in charge there was a bad heroin problem here.

It’s naive for them to plan on a society where they assume the working classes are satisfied with living in poor housing and working long hours for low pay

If you think crime is bad now? Just wait and see. For the most of it if you’re middle class then you'll be fine. Just make sure you drive everywhere and invest in a good security system.
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1. You do realise you were 5 when labour came into power. Do you actually remember jack **** about how the country was back then?

2. Dose one of your parents own a 4x4?

3. higher education under conservatives is going to be made only available to the rich and already successful and they’re not going to waste a penny fixing the current education system because guess what? Kids don’t vote.

My area is quite a desirable one to live in. back when john major was in charge there was a bad heroin problem here.

It’s naive for them to plan on a society where the working classes are satisfied with living in poor housing and working long hours for low pay

If you think crime is bad now? Just wait and see. For the most of it if you’re middle class then you'll be fine. Just make sure you drive everywhere and invest in a good security system.
1. It's called research and I grew up in it so yes it's quite memorable thanks...
2. No neither do but did one of your parents teach you to spell?
3. Below: Straight from the Conservative Manifesto which you obviously haven't bothered reading ...Get your head out of The Sun and actually read something worthwhile

So the Conservatives will:

Restore discipline and order to the classroom . We will give teachers the tools and powers they need to keep order in the classroom. We will abolish the legal requirement of 24 hours’ notice for detentions; reform the exclusion process; and give headteachers the power to ban, search for, and confiscate any items they think may cause violence or disruption.
Raise the status of the teaching profession. Move to a high quality system of teacher recruitment and training by raising entry requirements, expanding Teach First and incentivising top maths and science graduates.
Raise standards. We will take urgent action to reverse the decline in standards. We will reform the National Curriculum, remove political interference from GCSEs and A-levels, and allow state schools to do the same high quality exams as private schools. We will replace Key Stage 1 Sats with a simple reading test, reform Key Stage 2 Sats, and make Ofsted report on schools’ setting policies and reading schemes.
Create a new generation of independently run state schools. We will make it much easier for educational charities, groups of parents and teachers, cooperatives and others to start new Academies (independent, non-selective state schools). We will move to a national per pupil funding system, so that new schools get paid if they attract pupils, with extra funding for the poorest pupils (a pupil premium).
A Conservative government will give every child the kind of education that is currently available only to the well-off: safe classrooms, talented and specialist teachers, access to the best curriculum and exams, and smaller schools with smaller classes and teachers who know the children’s names.

Maybe the 'lower classes' (you didn't say working class, not sure if you know the difference but I'm talking about the lower class) should get off their lazy arses and stop sponging off the government.

Thanks.
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