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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    However only the best of them went to university - the problem is the state can't afford to send everyone to uni when basically anyone can go (while I won't disclose my grades/uni, I definatly shouldn't have to be going. In fact, unis should be keeping me back with a long pole).

    If you want free education then many universities should revert to poly's and only the top students should go.

    Otherwise this system is best, those who benefit from a degree help invest in the education of those who follow them, they enable the unis to expand allowing more students etc.

    Problem is there are too many students for the state to pay everyones way.

    I believe that A-Levels should be enough to make available a majority of career options and that a degree should be only for the very best. I also believe that people should be able to 'collect' a qualification from their career path over time.
    It wasn't only the best going to university in previous generations, it was only the wealthiest. Look at the figures for the proportional participation of state school students in higher education a few decades ago and compare that to now.

    Regardless, the majority of other nations in western Europe manage to send a higher proportion of school leavers onto university than we do, and they manage it without crippling them with tens of thousands of £s worth of debt. How is it that we can't accomplish this?
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    Look at all the idiot, media sheep, dogooders in this thread - and this is the future of the U.K? You're no better than the anarchist gimps that turn up on these hippy leftist marchs, smashing stuff up and dancing to gash music like full on whoppers.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/no...ice-under-fire
    http://blogs.news.sky.com/frontlineb...b-bbeb70b3cb98

    The Police want this violence to happen: clear from the above links, because thats what the Police do, they enjoy a good riot: so you can stop snivelling for the officers who had broken limbs or were knocked out cold. They recieve as much as they give.
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    So do I, as do many current students. We have as much say as to how its spent as everyone else, which is why students have every right to protest.


    I don't know why you're turning this into some kind of ad hominem attack on me, where did I say I was even involved in the protests let alone any violent elements?

    All I will say is that many people don't consider a few broken windows and a couple of bruised police officers as big a deal as a generation burdened with a lifetimes worth of debt.
    I dont know what ad hominem means, but this is not an attack on you at all, I was just responding to the comments you posted. Also when I said 'you', I didnt mean you personally, I was referring generally to the students who are choosing to protest If it came across that why then I am sorry.
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    I hope they know they're wasting their time.
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    It wasn't only the best going to university in previous generations, it was only the wealthiest. Look at the figures for the proportional participation of state school students in higher education a few decades ago and compare that to now.

    Regardless, the majority of other nations in western Europe manage to send a higher proportion of school leavers onto university than we do, and they manage it without crippling them with tens of thousands of £s worth of debt. How is it that we can't accomplish this?
    Watched the news lately? Europe has massive debt issues, Euro zone might implode i.e Greece, Ireland, Belgium, Portugal, Spain. France also has massive problems and most people in France aged between 18- 30 are unemployed (including graduates) and Sarkozy will be asking for austerity measures. Wake up smell the coffee! Free lunch is over.
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    You do realise that if you carry on with all this vandalism, they'll stop funding universities altogether so that they can pay for all damages and hiring of policeman. You idiots are giving students an even worse name than we already had!
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    (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
    Watched the news lately? Europe has massive debt issues, Euro zone might implode i.e Greece, Ireland, Belgium, Portugal, Spain. France also has massive problems and most people in France aged between 18- 30 are unemployed (inlcuding graduates) and Sarkozy will be asking for austerity measures. Wake up smell the coffee! Free lunch is over.
    Taken an economics lessons lately?

    The most powerful Eurozone economies - Germany for example - are in no worse position than the UK. Regardless of the current situation with the Eurozone, the blaim can hardly be put on education. If you look at government spending on education as a percentage of total spending, it is minute. It is also arguably the best investment public money can go to. The vast majority of public spending (here and in Europe) is on social security.

    Its also worth pointing out that the a tuition fee rise will do nothing to help the deficit in the short-term; which after all, is what the coalition government keep telling us is the top priority. Education cuts are ideologically as opposed to economically driven.
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    these dopey greedy lazy ***** give students a bad name, I'm normally very anti riot police, but on this occasion, i hope they crack a few ****ing heads
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    (Original post by pippa90)
    You do realise that if you carry on with all this vandalism, they'll stop funding universities altogether so that they can pay for all damages and hiring of policeman. You idiots are giving students an even worse name than we already had!
    They want the vandalism to happen.



    http://blogs.news.sky.com/frontlineb...b-bbeb70b3cb98
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      Good, a protest every week, to slap the PM's cheek.
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      (Original post by Get Real)
      They want the vandalism to happen.



      http://blogs.news.sky.com/frontlineb...b-bbeb70b3cb98
      Exactly, they know that these idiots are going to vandalise it, and then will use it as an excuse to remove the cap on tuition fees or something. Once the government proves that students are a bunch of wild animals people will let them do it. We students know that it's only a small minority of students, and a lot of people who can't be arsed with uni and just want to cause a riot but the general public don't know that.
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      (Original post by aeonflux)
      I'm very aware of that fact. I am not and have never been a Labour supporter, nor am I a socialist. The fact that I criticise the current governments policies does not mean I think Labour are any better. And that is the precise reason students have taken to the streets - they have been betrayed by all the major political parties - firstly Labour, now the Lib Dems.

      Higher fees or a grad tax are not the only options available.

      So whats your other option then? Cutting something else that would likely cause a bigger backlash? Its politics the students are in the minority so obvisoly the government will cut what will affect the smallest amount of people as it will lead to the smallest backlash. The Tories are unlikely to receive many student votes at a normal time so they have the least to lose.
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      (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
      I agree maybe we should launch a counter movement and start by encouraging all students current and future with at least half a brain cell to forget about these demonstrations and concentrate on their expensive education which we should be paying for as per the Browne report.
      Yep. I also think we should get the NUS, and student protesting to cover policing and cleaning costs.
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      (Original post by Bunkd)
      This is how the regular taxpayer views immature student antics:

      "So the students hit the streets.
      People I pay for, smashing up things I pay for, while asking me to pay more.

      Something is not right there."


      The 'regular taxpayer' is a total square, man.
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        It will achieve **** all in terms of the government's stance on tuition fees - they're going up, get over it.
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        Take steps lazy bums, and don't think you're entitled to be supported by those who expect to be making at least £21k/year. Those who have an issue with the fees are either stupid and have no clue what the changes mean, or ignorant to think they have it bad.

        Screw you I say to anyone attending the protests.
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        I don't think the government have actually thought this thing through. If they're adamant on charging people 9000 grand a year, that means almost everyone will have to take out a loan and we all know what a nightmare Student Finance is. Essentially this means, hypothetically, the 1.97 million students that are in university taking out a loan which adds up to (if my computer calculator is correct) £1773000000 not adding the maintenance loans. Do people honestly think this is economically feasible and do you think Student finance will be able to cope?

        *if my calculations are incorrect please tell me, I'm atrocious at Maths*
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        Yeah go and riot, quite rightly get the **** kicked out of you by police then go cry to the media about police brutality and all that ****. Shout it with me guys, FREE THE WORLD BY BURNING CARS!
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        Got to love the contrast between the support demonstrated on the thread for the initial protests and this one. The moral here is never to let anarchists and hippies hijack your campaign.
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        If these pathetic suffragette wannabes wish to smash **** up, good for them. They can just do it in their own time, not during a protest, so they don't bring the image of all students down to their own repulsive level.
       
       
       
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