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Britain should introduce Sterilization or Birth Control Watch

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    "Yer I'm ovf to 'ave me toobs tied,wahnt' be abyle to ave' moh baybees but ah'll save millions a' people pennies a year!"
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    (Original post by harrietta)
    She should get a job, he should help pay for them.
    Done.
    Getting a job isn't always that easy, especially for someone who has been out of work for a long time. He would have to pay CSA granted but that isn't always that much money in the scheme of bringing up kids.
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    I know this is exactly the kind of response you want, but that is just disgusting.
    Who has the right to sterilise people, and to stop them having children?
    Who draws the line at who they sterilise and why? It is unjustifiable.
    So just forget about it and leave people to have children as they please.
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    (Original post by alibobs)
    Getting a job isn't always that easy, especially for someone who has been out of work for a long time. He would have to pay CSA granted but that isn't always that much money in the scheme of bringing up kids.
    Yeah yeah, I know, but hundreds of thousands of mother's work, and so if their marriages/partnerships do sadly break up then have the money, career, to support themselves.

    Perhaps people should think of the longterm before going out and having loads of kids.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    I can see this being a thorny issue for the CRB check.

    How do you vet who can and who can't teach kids how to have anal sex.
    I suppose you get an expert to write an extremely detailed pamphlet on the subject, and then get the usual sex ed teachers to explain it. It shouldn't be any more embarrassing than teaching oral sex. I can certainly see the issue with bringing in self-proclaimed "experts" to teach the kids the correct method 1 to 1.
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    Only steralize the blacks, soaking up our taxes like a sponge.
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    (Original post by CountMancula)
    Hi Ladies/Gents,

    I have been really thinking about this issue. If you're a regular reader of Newspaper's, you will see certain articles about families demanding a council house, thuggish teens, lazy people refusing to work, etc. This may sound very harsh and controversial, but people who fit under the category should NOT be allowed to breed.

    Here is a scenario: There is a Mother who lives in a small council flat. She is unemployed and has children with different fathers. She is also has a few bad habits - cannabis and alcohol. The child grows up in a scenario where education is nothing, but hanging around on street corners smoking is the norm. Getting a job and working is unheard of, so its straight onto benefits and he/she will follow the Mother's footsteps - This is a cycle that will follow for generations.

    Now, if there were a way to control birth rate this would be avoided. Let's say she is allowed a maximum of 2 children - they can be focused upon in terms of education, personal development etc.

    What are your thoughts?
    Not all of us turn out like that when we have parents like that!

    I know a ****load of people with worse parents than you describe, and they use it as determination to go to Uni, and get fantastic jobs.

    Many others have changed this very world because of their idiotic parents.

    EDIT: Although i agree the government should decide to only fund a certain amount of children on the benefits system.
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    No. Banning people from having kids is not the solution. Abolishing easy access to benefits because you have kids is.
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    You're picking one of the worst cases in the country as an example. It's not a majority problem, it's a minority.

    And how do you know these kids weill grow up to do nothing but go on the dole in their lives? They could grow into fantastic, working people.
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    (Original post by CountMancula)
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    What are your thoughts?
    Punishing people for the manifestations of their behaviour shaped by inequitable circumstances is the greatest injustice. I'd also advise that you spend less time reading 'newspapers' and more reading scholarly arguments within the fields of social history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Punishing people for the manifestations of their behaviour shaped by inequitable circumstances is the greatest injustice. I'd also advise that you spend less time reading 'newspapers' and more reading scholarly arguments within the fields of social history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy.
    Thanks for the advice, Socrates.
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    (Original post by CountMancula)
    Thanks for the advice, Socrates.
    You're welcome. It's instructive to understand the extent to which human behaviour manifests itself through what sociologists sometimes call 'socialisation', i.e. the collective effect of a person's circumstances and experiences which shape the way they see the world and act in it. Newspapers aren't interested in that, it requires thinking and stuff, they are more often, for want of a better word 'anti-analytical'.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    You're welcome. It's instructive to understand the extent to which human behaviour manifests itself through what sociologists sometimes call 'socialisation', i.e. the collective effect of a person's circumstances and experiences which shape the way they see the world and act in it. Newspapers aren't interested in that, it requires thinking and stuff, they are more often, for want of a better word 'anti-analytical'.
    Of course Newspapers aren't interested in socialisation or conveying a "scholarly argument", as you call it. As a journalist, it is their job to report CURRENT news and collect information about events, people, issues, sports, etc. If they started 'over-analysing' then it wouldn't be fit for a Newspaper.

    I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to get across. Is it an attempted to make me sound dim by suggesting I don't read enough "scholarly arguments within the fields of social history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy"? You need to understnad that a Newspaper is a complete different form of media.
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    (Original post by CountMancula)
    Of course Newspapers aren't interested in socialisation or conveying a "scholarly argument", as you call it. As a journalist, it is their job to report CURRENT news and collect information about events, people, issues, sports, etc. If they started 'over-analysing' then it wouldn't be fit for a Newspaper.

    I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to get across. Is it an attempted to make me sound dim by suggesting I don't read enough "scholarly arguments within the fields of social history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy"? You need to understnad that a Newspaper is a complete different form of media.
    The job of the journalist is to present their stories in a way that fits the political agenda of their newspaper, it's not quite accurate to suggest they simply 'report'. Anyway, if you're going to use newspapers as the beginning and end of your inquiries into such issues then you're not going to get very far, intellectually speaking, hence my reference to scholarly material if you wanted to understand issues in a more substantive way.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    You're welcome. It's instructive to understand the extent to which human behaviour manifests itself through what sociologists sometimes call 'socialisation', i.e. the collective effect of a person's circumstances and experiences which shape the way they see the world and act in it. Newspapers aren't interested in that, it requires thinking and stuff, they are more often, for want of a better word 'anti-analytical'.
    We have literally no power to change the socialisation of the lowest classes in our society. It is already extremely difficult to intervene and take their children when they are abusing them, let alone when their only 'crime' is imposing their negative culture and behaviours on their children. Society simply wouldn't work if we let everyone off for the way they behave because everything is essentially predetermined. A newspapers job outside of the opinions column is to print facts, rather than baseless leftist excuses for why the lower classes behave like scum. (I use them term lower classes because they are distinctly different from working classes).
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Punishing people for the manifestations of their behaviour shaped by inequitable circumstances is the greatest injustice. I'd also advise that you spend less time reading 'newspapers' and more reading scholarly arguments within the fields of social history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy.
    How do you feel is the best way to cope with a lack of resources and a growing population in distributing those resources. Do you think we need to do something in order to curb overpopulation? If so what do you suggest?
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    Yes please.

    It would lighten my workload.
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    All eggs should be removed from every female at birth (or when they enter the country) and couples should be made to earn their children. If males consistently prove they are unfit for parenthood or society, they shall be forcefully sterilised and/or their ability to obtain an erection revoked.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    How do you feel is the best way to cope with a lack of resources and a growing population in distributing those resources. Do you think we need to do something in order to curb overpopulation? If so what do you suggest?
    What lack of resources? :confused:
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    (Original post by py0alb)
    What lack of resources? :confused:
    Land, fresh water, oil, food etc.
    On a world wide scale we're becoming amazingly close to our population surpassing our ability to distribute those in a meaningful way. Not that we currently do distribute them in a fair way.
 
 
 
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