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    (Original post by TRS-T)
    So how do you justify them arresting people for swearing, when they themselves can be heard swearing in the doc?

    Bunch of hypocrites.
    Because them swearing is a rare occurrence, and usually only in response to being sworn at, or threatened with violence.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    Because them swearing is a rare occurrence, and usually only in response to being sworn at, or threatened with violence.
    Clearly didn't watch the documentary then did ya mate.
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    (Original post by Harmonic Minor)
    The UAF are merely a hard-left Communist front run by 'Red Ken' Livingstone and Wyman Bennett of the Socialist Worker's Party. Nobody should take such a thoroughly unpleasant organization seriously at all - and to brand all their opponents as 'fascists' is just laughably absurd, considering that they're essentially a bunch of Marxist totalitarians and 'anti-capitalist' statists.
    So founding signatory David Cameron is an anti-capitalist Marxist totalitarian then? Hm.
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    (Original post by creak)
    So founding signatory David Cameron is an anti-capitalist Marxist totalitarian then? Hm.
    Of course not. But how often is David Cameron involved in the workings of the UAF?

    I imagine they can acquire quite a few signatures when hiding behind the banner 'Unite Against Fascism'. How ironic - as though using violence to intimidate and suppress democratically expressed opinions that you don't agree with is 'anti-fascist'.

    How they've managed to worm their way into the mainstream with their Communist bilge is beyond me. They gather around denouncing 'fascism' (even though the EDL are not even conceivably 'fascist') as though they are somehow the safeguard of democracy, whilst waving red banners and other hard-left, socialist paraphernalia. Beggars belief.
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    (Original post by TRS-T)
    Clearly didn't watch the documentary then did ya mate.
    I've watched it multiple times. They only swear when they're seriously wound up. People should learn to respect them and their authority. If a child swore at their parent, they would probably be punished. But occasionally, parents lose it and swear at their kids, and no one punishes them for that...
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I've watched it multiple times. They only swear when they're seriously wound up. People should learn to respect them and their authority. If a child swore at their parent, they would probably be punished. But occasionally, parents lose it and swear at their kids, and no one punishes them for that...
    +rep simply for the Pat Condell picture.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I've watched it multiple times. They only swear when they're seriously wound up. People should learn to respect them and their authority. If a child swore at their parent, they would probably be punished. But occasionally, parents lose it and swear at their kids, and no one punishes them for that...
    Sorry mate.

    I just think it's double standards that the police can swear but the public can't.

    Some of the police think they are above the law.

    For example they always push people.

    But if you push them, they arrest you for assaulting them.

    I can't respect some of the officers in the docu, especially the one who says I can do what I want.
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    (Original post by TRS-T)
    Sorry mate.

    I just think it's double standards that the police can swear but the public can't.

    Some of the police think they are above the law.

    For example they always push people.

    But if you push them, they arrest you for assaulting them.

    I can't respect some of the officers in the docu, especially the one who says I can do what I want.
    They only push people who have done something wrong. Whatever wrongs the police do, they're all in the course of protecting the public
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    (Original post by tufc)
    They only push people who have done something wrong. Whatever wrongs the police do, they're all in the course of protecting the public
    Nah they push people saying "Get back" "Go away" "Go home" "Leave" etc

    You're not doing anything wrong by standing in the street.

    If you lay hands on them however, they will in all likelihood arrest you or be violent towards you.
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    (Original post by TRS-T)
    Nah they push people saying "Get back" "Go away" "Go home" "Leave" etc

    You're not doing anything wrong by standing in the street.

    If you lay hands on them however, they will in all likelihood arrest you or be violent towards you.
    I didn't see them doing that in the documentary. You obviously have a problem with authority. The police are there to protect us all, and if it means they shove people about a bit, I'm not too worried.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I didn't see them doing that in the documentary. You obviously have a problem with authority. The police are there to protect us all, and if it means they shove people about a bit, I'm not too worried.
    I've seen this stuff in general police programmes.

    I don't have a problem with authority, just abuse of power.

    Notice how whenever you see police brutality etc, you never seen a fellow copper intervene or restrain or arrest the offending copper.

    They just let it go.

    See Ian Tomlinson.
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    (Original post by TRS-T)
    I've seen this stuff in general police programmes.

    I don't have a problem with authority, just abuse of power.

    Notice how whenever you see police brutality etc, you never seen a fellow copper intervene or restrain or arrest the offending copper.

    They just let it go.

    See Ian Tomlinson.
    Because it would undermine the police's authority.

    And the officer who pushed Ian Tomlinson is currently facing manslaughter charges.
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    I think I watched this documentary a couple of months ago. I'm usually quite supportive of our police, but in this documentary they made themselves out to be right arrogant, hypocritical *****. Like at the beginning when they're eating, I remember one of them saying something like "Ahh. I love locking people up, I'd lock everyone up all day if I could!". Although I've met a police officer in person who's said something similar to that, it's not very smart to go on TV and make yourself look an arrogant b*stard. As for UAF/EDL, well, I could care less for either of them really.
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    (Original post by thisisnew)
    You're quoting a post that's almost 8 months old, well done retard.



    Yeah, they get on so well that an 'anti-Zionist' element within the EDL lead to the head of the 'Jewish Division' resigning (not sure if such a division even exists anymore) due to antisemitic and 'Nazi' like attacks on her - keep up.



    Sort of like the way self styled anti-fascist and anti-zionist revolutionaries rub shoulders with fascist and homophobic Islamists as a part of their dislike for Israel? :rolleyes:



    Yeah, you're still an incoherent retard.



    Too bad most of those countries didn't even exist at the times of the Jewish expulsions. Why did it keep on happening? Gee, I don't know, perhaps it's because the evil Jews always conspired against their hosts whilst secretly using the blood of their children to bake holy bread with.

    Why don't you read your own links you grotesquely pathetic idiot? It's no secret that Jews have always been good with money and subsequently have played important roles in the economy of their hosts, as they did in England and this lead to many Jews becoming rather rich with drew ire and suspicion from their host population. At this time, Europe was easily the most antisemitic place on the planet and the English didn't disappoint, where if you'd bother to read your own ****ing link, you'd see that they resorted to age old antisemitic diatribe and blood libel e.g. killing children for their blood, killing Jesus and or hating Jesus–this lead to frequent massacres e.g. the massacre in York. Again, read your own link and you'd see that taxes on Jews became heavier, riots became more frequent and they were even made to wear badges. So to sum it up, for using their financial skills and for contributing to the economy, Jews were massacred and expelled - clearly their own fault right? Of course it was you antisemitic moron - this pattern of behavior was happening all over Europe.

    When are you going to stop posting that fallacious link of expulsions from a known antisemitic site as if it makes a damning point? It even lists the expulsions of 1948 which if you weren't an ignorant idiot, you'd know these expulsions occurred due to the Arab decision to wage a war of extermination against Israel - ancient and loyal communities such as the Jews of Iraq were subjected to persecution and pogrom; massacred with their property seized.

    Jews were even blamed for the Black Plague at one point - is this because Jews were 'haughty conspirators' or was it because people during those times were ****ing retarded?

    Here's a very simple explanation, it's the simplest I could find though don't complain when you find it not simple enough to understand.

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    In an attempt to answer your question, we need to go back in history:

    Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

    Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

    Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
    Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
    Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
    Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
    Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
    Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."

    As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

    Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

    Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

    Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

    Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

    Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

    Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

    Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

    Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.




    Israel is failing? Newsflash kid, in 63 years of war-ridden existence, modern Israel has contributed more to the world than the rest of the Arab world combined - they have 95% more patents to their name than the rest of the Arab world combined, they have more scientists/engineers per capita than any other country, they trail only to America on the NASDAQ, they're at the forefront of technology, agriculture, renewable energy, medicine and science; you're probably utilizing Israeli inventions and innovations as we speak. Whilst the Arab world is up in arms, Israel remains a sea of stability, indeed her own protests are about housing prices etc - not because their leaders are crushing them with tanks and Israel's economy has remained stable.

    And things are only going to get better. More and more people are seeing through the 'anti-Zionist' narrative and they're becoming more aware of how people use 'anti-Zionism' as a guise for antisemitism. Israel is failing? On the contrary, Israel has never been stronger, I know it must keep you up at night but Israel is here to stay - get over it.

    And stop with the hyperbole, some Jews joined the EDL, so what? They represent an insignificant percentile of British Jews never mind worldwide and even so, they joined because the EDL is the only outlet against extremist Islam - something Jews and indeed Israel have been subjected to more so than anybody else.



    Neither is Infidel/Kuffar - see what I did their hurr durr? You keep following me around with this 'gentiles/goyim see through the haughty nature of the Jews' - do believe that you're making some sort of point by saying 'gentile' or 'goyim'? :confused:



    I posted a short film about the extremist side of Islam, which was mostly compromised of clips shown on Arab television - which was the reason I posted it and found it particularly interesting. Let me repeat that, extremist side of Islam, not Islam. Now let me but it in bold and in a different color so you may finally get it into your thick head: extremist side of Islam, not Islam. You on the other hand, posted a piece of Nazi propaganda directed at hating Jews based on lies and libel as if you were posting an equivalent, which you weren't. You don't even bother trying to distinguish between Zionists and Jews either, you just rant on about the 'haughty' Jews and how they were expelled from many countries - you're clearly antisemitic.



    Are you jumpingjesusholycow's retarded little brother or something? Stop using the word fascist when you clearly have no idea what it means, in fact just stop talking about Jews, Zionism and Israel because you know **** all.

    Again, good job picking up on a post made 8 months ago. Perhaps the 'goyim' are blind after all.

    And to clarify for you retards who blindly neg any post that 'defends' the EDL - I made that post when the 'Nazi' element of the EDL wasn't so prevalent and it still looked like the EDL had something, however times changed and so have my opinions but don't let that get in your way of frothing at the mouth everytime you see the word EDL.
    This is one of the best posts I have seen on TSR. I say this as an immigrant.

    You smashed that anti-semitic racist to pieces.
 
 
 
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