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    (Original post by coolblergh)
    I apologise. Reading over my post, I realise that I was a tad over-zealous, and assumptive! However, not to be funny, but I reckon maybe we gays should be more supportive of each other; considering we're still discriminated against. There are a lot of self-loathing gays around for the simple fact that people like yourself are negative towards them from within the gay community.

    What do you think?

    No, I agree.
    But, there is no collective gay subconsciousness, biological connection or even physical likening, so I see any support as support provided through empathy and sympathy if any person so desires.
    I really hate the use of "the gay community" because it just reinforces contempt and societal divide.
    I'll help or support someone on personal merit, not on the basis of sexuality.

    But yea, idk LOL

    I just think that just because two people are gay, does not mean they should inherently help each other.
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    (Original post by Anonymous-)
    Being camp is not being yourself. It's conforming to a stereotype.
    So says you.

    I think this is partly true, though. However, I'm not really wanting to defend these guys to be honest. I more want to defend the gays who are what some would say: 'congenitally camp', as they are receiving the negative reception for simply being who they truly are - even on this forum as we speak.
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    (Original post by super.teve)
    No, I agree.
    But, there is no collective gay subconsciousness, biological connection or even physical likening, so I see any support as support provided through empathy and sympathy if any person so desires.
    I really hate the use of "the gay community" because it just reinforces contempt and societal divide.
    I'll help or support someone on personal merit, not on the basis of sexuality.

    But yea, idk LOL

    I just think that just because two people are gay, does not mean they should inherently help each other.
    Touché
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    I'm gay and am terrified that people may think I'm camp. I hate camp gays, I hate the whole gay pride thing... I hate how gay people are judged and as a defence, a lot of them get all 'in-your-face' about there sexuality...

    One of my best friends is a Christian, and quite homophobic, and I am scared that he'll work out that i'm gay somehow.

    But seriously, all of you 'butch' gay guys should just be grateful that you are what you are, and you have the choice to hide who you are unlike camp people. I know i'm grateful for the fact that i can hide my gay-ness to some extent (not because i'm butch, most likely because i'm a half-decent liar). I know there are certain "gay qualities" about me... although i can't really put my finger on them. It's something I can't change and wish I could...


    (I've just realised that i referred to gay people as "they", probably due to the fact that i deny my sexuality... oh well)
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I'm gay and am terrified that people may think I'm camp. I hate camp gays, I hate the whole gay pride thing... I hate how gay people are judged and as a defence, a lot of them get all 'in-your-face' about there sexuality...

    One of my best friends is a Christian, and quite homophobic, and I am scared that he'll work out that i'm gay somehow.

    But seriously, all of you 'butch' gay guys should just be grateful that you are what you are, and you have the choice to hide who you are unlike camp people. I know i'm grateful for the fact that i can hide my gay-ness to some extent (not because i'm butch, most likely because i'm a half-decent liar). I know there are certain "gay qualities" about me... although i can't really put my finger on them. It's something I can't change and wish I could...


    (I've just realised that i referred to gay people as "they", probably due to the fact that i deny my sexuality... oh well)
    I'm not "butch", far from it.
    I'm just me, nothing else, no acting, just me.
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    Cause they're gay.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I'm gay and am terrified that people may think I'm camp. I hate camp gays, I hate the whole gay pride thing... I hate how gay people are judged and as a defence, a lot of them get all 'in-your-face' about there sexuality...

    One of my best friends is a Christian, and quite homophobic, and I am scared that he'll work out that i'm gay somehow.

    But seriously, all of you 'butch' gay guys should just be grateful that you are what you are, and you have the choice to hide who you are unlike camp people. I know i'm grateful for the fact that i can hide my gay-ness to some extent (not because i'm butch, most likely because i'm a half-decent liar). I know there are certain "gay qualities" about me... although i can't really put my finger on them. It's something I can't change and wish I could...


    (I've just realised that i referred to gay people as "they", probably due to the fact that i deny my sexuality... oh well)
    A textbook example of self-loathing.

    Don't even get me started on religion.
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    More to do with the environment I guess. If from a younger age, you've been socialising with girls, the effeminate behaviour comes naturally to them.

    Just throwing in really :dontknow:
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    (Original post by lonely14)
    More to do with the environment I guess. If from a younger age, you've been socialising with girls, that behaviour comes naturally to them.

    Just throwing in really :dontknow:
    I agree with this too in some cases. I think its more multi-faceted than we think. Varying contributory factors for different people.
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    I assume its the culture, like why do people talk with accents and why do all emo's act and dress the same?
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    (Original post by coolblergh)
    I agree with this too in some cases. I think its more multi-faceted than we think. Varying contributory factors for different people.
    I'd say this too actually, even perhaps applicable to those who do it as a show, their personality may be one which even if they were straight, they would be self loving and arrogant?
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    Because its acceptable for them to act feminine and get the feeling they really really want to and they go overboard. :/ not always though
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    (Original post by h-star)
    Because its acceptable for them to act feminine and get the feeling they really really want to and they go overboard. :/ not always though
    LOL.
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    Interesting question actually. I'd guess its more a cultural invention than an innate personality trait.

    Mild campness can be quite endearing but overblown, egocentric, drama queen campness is massively annoying.

    Whoever mentioned Alan Carr - I completely agree. Doing **** comedy but in a camp voice doesn't make it funny. Julian Clary does it much better.
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    (Original post by Revd. Mike)
    +1 -_-
    Cheers, always good to be reminded I'm not the only gay guy in the known universe who feels this way. It can feel like that sometimes.
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    (Original post by halfoflessthan50p)
    Interesting question actually. I'd guess its more a cultural invention than an innate personality trait.

    Mild campness can be quite endearing but overblown, egocentric, drama queen campness is massively annoying.

    Whoever mentioned Alan Carr - I completely agree. Doing **** comedy but in a camp voice doesn't make it funny. Julian Clary does it much better.
    *Regains faith in humanity*
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    (Original post by super.teve)
    No, I agree.
    But, there is no collective gay subconsciousness, biological connection or even physical likening, so I see any support as support provided through empathy and sympathy if any person so desires.
    I really hate the use of "the gay community" because it just reinforces contempt and societal divide.
    I'll help or support someone on personal merit, not on the basis of sexuality.

    But yea, idk LOL

    I just think that just because two people are gay, does not mean they should inherently help each other.
    This, this, a hundred times this. Nothing irritates me more than other gay men telling me I'm undermining some kind of collective cause or that I am part of a "gay community". It really gets my goat.
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    (Original post by Daniel-Ballingall)
    mhm. but the stereotype has to originate from somewhere?
    I think that's actually a really blunt way of looking at it, tbh.
    Yes, the stereotype originates from a bunch of gay folk acting like women. That's hardly striving to be unique now, is it?
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    This mincing queen is THE worst example:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJAwU_LF5lY

    Oh how I would love to see him in a *****slap bite-fight!
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    (Original post by Joe Weavurrr)
    Why do you ask this as anonymous?
    I bet it's cause your user name is "campfagpinkrainbowsglitterladyg aganal"
    Actually it was my thread. I posted it as anonymous because I didn't want the inveitable negative rep from people that might think i'm somehow being homophobic. I also figure that by posting threads as anonymous people get to the point quicker and prevent any ad hominem type posts.

    (Original post by halfoflessthan50p)
    Mild campness can be quite endearing but overblown, egocentric, drama queen campness is massively annoying.
    I agree completely with this. I've met quite a few attention seeking prima donnas who are so ridiculously camp that they no longer function properly in social situations but instead attention seek and become hard to get on with. Sure, these people were undoubtably taking camp to a whole new level and making an act of it.

    As someone said before, some straight guys are really camp but are not gay, so I can only think within a certain degree of campness such people are acting naturally.
 
 
 
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