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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Are you saying that classic lit that's not read much is better at connecting with and grasping the attention of teenage girls than twilight? Do you understand how little sense that makes?

    This isn't about 'proper literature' and 'good literature'. Get off the bandwagon and read my argument properly and you'll see that. This is nothing to do with how 'good' twilight is.
    This why we're stuck with unbalanced, screaming girls because they read rubbish rather than something decent.

    Stop thinking that Twilight connects with ALL teenage girls. It doesn't. It probably repels most because it's so damn awful.
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    (Original post by ÇaBaigne_29)
    This why we're stuck with unbalanced, screaming girls because they read rubbish rather than something decent.

    Stop thinking that Twilight connects with ALL teenage girls. It doesn't. It probably repels most because it's so damn awful.
    ...Do you even know what I'm arguing here?
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    Though it may well be just fantasy for girls, why settle for second rate fantasy? If the books are crap, then that's it; they shouldn't be defended despite being rubbish, because there a plenty of good works of fiction that people should be quite capable of reading and enjoying instead
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    I think its become cool to hate Twilight, and people do it out of habit!
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    (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
    Found this picture, not hating on Twilight or anything. :awesome:

    I actually, physically, LOLed at that
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    I do agree that people are being unfair when they compare it to classic literature (have never seen this done, however). But surely it's fair to compare it to Harry Potter, seeing as both have huge followings and are written for younger readerships. The sad thing is, HP are childrens' books while Twilight is for teenage girls. Harry Potter should be paling in comparison, but it's still 10000000000000000000000000000000 0+++ times better written, more imaginative, and deeper in meaning. A lot of Twi-fans don't treat it as escapism, however, and outright try to claim that it's one of the best series out there. That's when people go, "WHOAWHOAWHOA, BACK YOUR **** UP." And then all the ****ging starts.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    ...Do you even know what I'm arguing here?
    I know that Twilight is a massive fail compared to ANY book ever written.

    You can't defend it
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Hearmeout yeah?

    I'm an English Lit student, and obviously Twilight just isn't a good book- as in, it's not well written and it seems to promote scarily bad values without realising it. It's antifeminist, indulgent and the poor writing grates on me.

    However, what pisses me off more than Twilight is people thinking they're clever by ****ging it off. Comparing twilight to proper books is like comparing porn to proper films and saying 'it's so unrealistic and the plot is terrible'. 99% of people know twilight is ****. Just like 99% of people know porn is embarassing and badly made.
    Twilight isn't SUPPOSED to be a literary masterpiece. It's teenage chick lit, it's the female equivilent of porn, or video games or something. Twilight is pure escapism, and fantasy material for girls, just like porn is for guys.

    Yeah, so the difference is that people take twilight pretty seriously, and get obsessed with it- in my opinion it's because for so long teenage girls (and older girls too) have been dying for something trashy and sexy and fantastical like twilight. Teenage girls simply don't have an outlet for sexuality, because they're constantly told they shouldn't really have a proper sexuality.

    Yes, as a literary work, Twilight sucks. But it obviously taps into something really powerful. There's this huge undercurrent of sexual frustration in girls and women, and I think it's amazing that something like this one trashy teenage girls book can cause such a HUGE effect. Meyer has tapped into something important that teenage girls and women feel, and that's not to be sniffed at.

    (Er, to reiterate though, I don't actually think the books are good.)
    I see where you're coming from but maybe the comment in bold would be more valid if Meyer purposefully wrote a trashy book in the hopes of releasing sexual frustration or whatever. That having been said, she didn't, so i guess it's just a worthless piece of crap after all. But you do make a reasonable arguement.
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    I'm a twilight fan, I'm not scared/ashamed or whatever to say that.. but I like it for the general story rather than liking it for being a "work of literary genius" or anything like that.

    People can read books just for the enjoyment rather than wanting to be critical of them..

    I actually think that people who spend so much time ****ging books off are fairly sad- it doesn't hurt YOU that other people are reading what you consider to be bad books, does it?
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    (Original post by ÇaBaigne_29)
    I know that Twilight is a massive fail compared to ANY book ever written.

    You can't defend it
    I'll take that as a 'no, I didn't even read the thread'.
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    (Original post by sheep_go_baa)
    I see where you're coming from but maybe the comment in bold would be more valid if Meyer purposefully wrote a trashy book in the hopes of releasing sexual frustration or whatever. That having been said, she didn't, so i guess it's just a worthless piece of crap after all. But you do make a reasonable arguement.
    But what does it matter what she aimed to do? when a book becomes as huge as twilight it becomes kind of independent from the person who wrote it.
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    (Original post by CrazyBeautiful)
    Though it may well be just fantasy for girls, why settle for second rate fantasy? If the books are crap, then that's it; they shouldn't be defended despite being rubbish, because there a plenty of good works of fiction that people should be quite capable of reading and enjoying instead
    Second rate fantasy according to what standards? (generally) teenage girls don't look for good writing in a fantasy, that much of obvious from the popularity of twilight. And why should they?
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I'll take that as a 'no, I didn't even read the thread'.
    I avoid reading most of what you say due to the fact that you started this thread.
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    Ironically the OP is incredibly sexist by suggesting females have been crying out for a book like Twilight.
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    (Original post by dobbys sock)
    What I don't like is how a lot of people who like the books seem to think that the characters, especially Edward, are perfect and who they should be aiming for when really he's a creep. He sneaks into her room at night to watch her sleep, he won't let her see her friends even going as far as taking the engine out of her car to stop her, he leaves bruises all over her body - it's not healthy.
    What makes me laugh(I havent read the books btw) is that from what you say girls find it romantic that he's watching her sleep when if he wasn't so "attractive" he'd just be another crazy stalking creep. Double standards
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    Ironically the OP is incredibly sexist by suggesting females have been crying out for a book like Twilight.
    Why is that incredibly sexist...?
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    There is no defense of Twilight. It's a terrible book. And the rest of the series, for that matter. Waste of paper.

    Bad, repetitive plot, bad descriptions, over reliance on adjectives, flat secondary characters and badly characterized, annoying main characters, no real meaning and unimaginative dialog.

    And before y'all say anything, I've read them all. It was painful.
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    (Original post by lastplace)
    There is no defense of Twilight. It's a terrible book. And the rest of the series, for that matter. Waste of paper.

    Bad, repetitive plot, bad descriptions, over reliance on adjectives, flat secondary characters and badly characterized, annoying main characters, no real meaning and unimaginative dialog.

    And before y'all say anything, I've read them all. It was painful.
    I'm sure you have, but I doubt you actually read my post.
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    You make a good argument, however im inclined to disagree that females have been 'crying out' for it. There are plenty of other trashy vampire love novels which were at the same level of popularity as twilight was before the films were released. It seems most of the teenage girls have focused on the films rather than the books themselves, half of the 'twi-hards' I know haven't even read the books, but "Edward is so dreammyy!".
    Also, I think if anything Meyers idea was to use Twilight to promote abstinance until marriage (hence the no kissing/touching until they're married ect) and then that sex creates a baby which eats her from the inside out (again a no sex message :P). My distane for Twilight stems from the fact that she has created such a ridiculous set of characters who are in no way providing any sort of positive message for the audience shes targeting, that and the abismal writing -.-
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Why is that incredibly sexist...?
    The values of Twilight, i.e. the plot, the fantasy, the idea of emulating Bella (a ditzy, pretty girl) and needing or aspiring to have someone like Edward (a dark, handsome, mysterious stranger) is a pretty shallow, empty, superficial and incredibly insecure take on the female psyche.
 
 
 
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